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February 5th, 2022, 03:45 PM
#541

Originally Posted by
fishfood
If it's called for yep, we the people own the government they don't own us.
We are not lab rats .
The lies ,the scandals , the opportunity the media control it needs to end
The people are speaking up.
Why isn't the government stepping in with the science? The evidence? No just call them names and squander hate and violence. They are the bad people
Love not hate
Show the love not the hate.
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The science is out there. You just need to be willing to accept it. It might not be something you agree with, but it’s out there.
The media ( all media) is telling the story in its voice, it’s up to you if you want to believe it.
We the people voted in the government democratically by the rules we all know. That seems to be the biggest burning issue I think. If you accept democracy you need to let this government run its course.
Not everyone agrees with the protests, that’s just reality. It’s not hate.
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February 5th, 2022 03:45 PM
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February 5th, 2022, 03:54 PM
#542

Originally Posted by
fishfood
Well with safe and effective vaccines there should be no mandates. No divide of the who's and aren't . 2 years we should have been prepared already by now Not just thinking about the broken health system now.
Sorry but your government lied to you and the mainstream fed you tons of bs .
To them it brings opportunities and you actually think the opportunity is for you or us is absolutely insane lol.
Mandates gotta go.
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Only 2 years seems a bit impatient when you figure takes 4 years to produce a nurse, 8 years for doctors , build a hospital 20 years. In the mean time do the best we can with what we have until somebody comes up with something better.
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February 5th, 2022, 04:12 PM
#543

Originally Posted by
finsfurfeathers
Only 2 years seems a bit impatient when you figure takes 4 years to produce a nurse, 8 years for doctors , build a hospital 20 years. In the mean time do the best we can with what we have until somebody comes up with something better.
Yeah it's why I told my kids 5 years at the beginning.
How do you end a pandemic in a year when they simply can't control it lol.
But to say I'm a fringe and call me names for not taking an experimental drug that hasn't showed the safety reports.
No thanks and zero vaccine mandates should be in place intill then. Again that takes time.
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February 5th, 2022, 04:14 PM
#544

Originally Posted by
Birdbuff
The science is out there. You just need to be willing to accept it. It might not be something you agree with, but it’s out there.
The media ( all media) is telling the story in its voice, it’s up to you if you want to believe it.
We the people voted in the government democratically by the rules we all know. That seems to be the biggest burning issue I think. If you accept democracy you need to let this government run its course.
Not everyone agrees with the protests, that’s just reality. It’s not hate.
Where's the safety reports when will the company take responsibility for its own cure.
Until then we the people have the right to choose without being discriminated every single day by the government the media
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February 5th, 2022, 04:14 PM
#545
Honk honk
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February 5th, 2022, 04:22 PM
#546

Originally Posted by
fishfood
Where's the safety reports when will the company take responsibility for its own cure.
Until then we the people have the right to choose without being discriminated every single day by the government the media
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Vaccine safety info. right here:
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...y/summary.html
you still have the right to choose. But there are consequences. Most of them are before the courts. Time will tell the outcome.
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February 5th, 2022, 04:23 PM
#547

Originally Posted by
fishfood
How do you end a pandemic in a year when they simply can't control it lol.
No thanks and zero vaccine mandates should be in place intill then. Again that takes time.
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Classic case of wanting your cake and eating it too.
Its an either/ or conumdrum. To do neither or nothing seems a bit self serving
Last edited by finsfurfeathers; February 5th, 2022 at 06:26 PM.
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February 5th, 2022, 07:00 PM
#548

Originally Posted by
Birdbuff

Originally Posted by
finsfurfeathers
Classic case of wanting your cake and eating it too.
Its and either/ or conumdrum. To do neither or nothing seems a bit self serving
Honk Honk
You guys seem to think our freedom was granted to us by this government and is theirs to take away at their will. We have a thing called the Canadian Bill of Rights which protects those unalienable rights. So now I ask you, when in history have we ever quarantined healthy people? When has humanity ever sacrificed their young to protect the aged? Never that's when. You want to know why? Because it makes absolutely zero sense and defies logic. The science is in. The lockdowns provided a little benefit of saving 0.2% a few years or months of an already lived life those of which plus a majority would have gladly traded that time to spend with their families and to not have die alone while destroying millions of lives and business never mind the grief real and economic. Where's the logic?
The safety of the experimental vaccine is neither here nor there as it is still experimental and one's right to choose wether or not they want the medical intervention is protected under the Canadian Bill of Rights as well as the Nuremburg code. You claim there is choice but with it comes consequence, that is not choice that is coercion, a breach of those rights and an offence under the code. However the science is in on the vaccines and they are NOT as advertised and do NOT meet the criteria of at least 50% efficacy to continue their emergency use authorization and really should be stopped, but go ahead boost away if it makes you feel safer but don't force the rest of us to participate in the farce and assault our right not too. Our rights don't end where your fear begins. The mandates have caused more death than not with delayed surgeries and diagnosis with the closure of 1200 hospital beds in Ontario alone. Again where's the logic? The logic lies in the science, the science is in and it isn't in the propaganda you're being fed by the government and the media. Follow the logic, the science and the math, agreeing to suspend our rights for two weeks to flatten the curve does not equal two years of house arrest and a passport for some to exercise theirs while assassinating other's. Hence the the ultimatum: End the mandates or step aside so that someone else can in order to restore logic to our democracy. Government only works if the citizens allow them to be governed, Trudeau has been offered a more than fair deal than what his government has offered it's citizens with these mandates. Stop the madness! The time has come as the science is in. I'm more than sure the majority agrees. The fringe minority living in fear are welcome to believe whatever they want and make their own medical decisions, they are not welcome to punish the rest of us for our choices.
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February 5th, 2022, 07:08 PM
#549
Excellent post expressing one side of the argument maturely. Thank you.
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February 5th, 2022, 07:17 PM
#550

Originally Posted by
GloHole
Honk Honk
You guys seem to think our freedom was granted to us by this government and is theirs to take away at their will. We have a thing called the Canadian Bill of Rights which protects those unalienable rights. So now I ask you, when in history have we ever quarantined healthy people? When has humanity ever sacrificed their young to protect the aged? Never that's when. You want to know why? Because it makes absolutely zero sense and defies logic. The science is in. The lockdowns provided a little benefit of saving 0.2% a few years or months of an already lived life those of which plus a majority would have gladly traded that time to spend with their families and to not have die alone while destroying millions of lives and business never mind the grief real and economic. Where's the logic?
The safety of the experimental vaccine is neither here nor there as it is still experimental and one's right to choose wether or not they want the medical intervention is protected under the Canadian Bill of Rights as well as the Nuremburg code. You claim there is choice but with it comes consequence, that is not choice that is coercion, a breach of those rights and an offence under the code. However the science is in on the vaccines and they are NOT as advertised and do NOT meet the criteria of at least 50% efficacy to continue their emergency use authorization and really should be stopped, but go ahead boost away if it makes you feel safer but don't force the rest of us to participate in the farce and assault our right not too. Our rights don't end where your fear begins. The mandates have caused more death than not with delayed surgeries and diagnosis with the closure of 1200 hospital beds in Ontario alone. Again where's the logic? The logic lies in the science, the science is in and it isn't in the propaganda you're being fed by the government and the media. Follow the logic, the science and the math, agreeing to suspend our rights for two weeks to flatten the curve does not equal two years of house arrest and a passport for some to exercise theirs while assassinating other's. Hence the the ultimatum: End the mandates or step aside so that someone else can in order to restore logic to our democracy. Government only works if the citizens allow them to be governed, Trudeau has been offered a more than fair deal than what his government has offered it's citizens with these mandates. Stop the madness! The time has come as the science is in. I'm more than sure the majority agrees. The fringe minority living in fear are welcome to believe whatever they want and make their own medical decisions, they are not welcome to punish the rest of us for our choices.
The courts will rule on the legality of all this, to jump the cue in a demanding way undermines the democratic process and legal process. If you want legitimacy let it come to you by way of legality. If you are right you will be vindicated. The government was voted in democratically. You might not like it, but that’s democracy. You live in a free and democratic country. The protests are proof of your freedom and democratic rights.
Where is your science? Provide proof that the vaccine is not or has not worked to prevent serious Illness. Good doctors and nurses were out today counter protesting. They see first hand, what you and I don’t. They are the frontline. They save lives.
An ultimatum is so very un-Canadian. Maybe that’s why I’m seeing so many trump flags and signs and American flags at our CANADIAN protests. Too much media influence and too much pride for the protesters to walk this one back.