Ontario gunsmith shot and killed by police

[stragglelake]

I might agree with you however the fact that there was a civilian witness makes it hard to lie about what happened.

I would love to see that civilian witness under cross examination by a good lawyer!!


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[johnjyb]

I am not sure I believe there is even a civilian witness anywhere that is unbiased or uncoerced by police that was involved in this shooting.
The "blue wall of silence" says there was one, but this "uninvolved not a police informant" witness is nowhere to be seen or heard. No police officer involved is even talking. No officer notes have been turned over.
This is a deep pile of BS only allowed by the priveledged for the priveledged.
If protect and serve means eat lead on my own property I do not feel as safe in this country as I should.
These are the guns that the legal eagles in power should be removing, not lawful gun owners.
John

[ysyg]

Murder or incompetence? I’m not sure about the civilian witness guy either. I’ve got no experience in search warrants or arrests, but if I was doing this, I would approach the guy with his hands full of groceries outside, rather than the guy with a gun in hand and inside a shop full of ammo and guns. Poorly planned or exactly what they wanted?

[Badenoch]

I am not sure I believe there is even a civilian witness anywhere that is unbiased or uncoerced by police that was involved in this shooting.
The "blue wall of silence" says there was one, but this "uninvolved not a police informant" witness is nowhere to be seen or heard. No police officer involved is even talking. No officer notes have been turned over.
This is a deep pile of BS only allowed by the priveledged for the priveledged.
If protect and serve means eat lead on my own property I do not feel as safe in this country as I should.
These are the guns that the legal eagles in power should be removing, not lawful gun owners.
John

It is inaccurate to say "no officer notes have been turned over."

https://siu.on.ca/en/directors_repor....php?drid=1856

Materials Obtained from Police Service
Upon request, the SIU obtained and reviewed the following materials and documents from OPP and TPS between November 4, 2021, and March 2, 2022:
TPS Event Details Report;
Notes-WO #3;
Notes-WO #1;
Notes-WO #2;
Notes-WO #5;
Notes-WO #4;
Notes-WO #6;
Notes-WO #7;

The civilian witness spoke with investigators. He is under no further obligation to discuss the matter with anyone unless he is called before an inquest or civil trial.

If you don't want to "eat lead" on your own property don't point guns at police officers.

[MikePal]

The shooter;

Subject Official (SO) Declined interview and to provide notes, as is the subject official’s legal right

Assumptions made .....

"On this record, there is little doubt that the SO would have felt the same way." "

While the SIU is without first-hand evidence of the SO’s state of mind at the time the shots were fired

I am persuaded on the basis of the prevailing circumstances that he fired his weapon to protect himself

But without the shooter's sworn testimony, it's all assumptions and conjecture.

Sure the witness will cooperate fully with the SIU:

Following the shooting, the officers escorted CW #2 out of the workshop, placed him on the ground and handcuffed him to the back.

But he did allow the SIU a look at his dashcam video footage...probably not a wise thing for the SIU to use in a trial either.

The SIU obtained and reviewed the following records from other sources:
Security video footage from a nearby residence; Dashcam Footage from CW #2 (the witness);

Too many assumptions, too many conjectures by investigators. They won't take this debacle it to trial.

Like I said early, my bet is on this will be settled out of court. ...an admission of guilt.

[rick_iles]

The shooter;

Assumptions made .....







But without the shooter's sworn testimony, it's all assumptions and conjecture.

Sure the witness will cooperate fully with the SIU:



But he did allow the SIU a look at his dashcam video footage...probably not a wise thing for the SIU to use in a trial either.



Too many assumptions, too many conjectures by investigators. They won't take this debacle it to trial.

Like I said early, my bet is on this will be settled out of court. ...an admission of guilt.

You would be wrong….again !

[MikePal]

You would be wrong….again !

HaHa..it'll be a battle of common sense vs. blind loyalty...

[rick_iles]

HaHa..it'll be a battle of common sense vs. blind loyalty...

Nope, not “blind”. More like “experienced”…!

[johnjyb]

If I was surprised by strange people yelling at me on my property who are not in uniform CLAIMING to be police, when I know and trust many of the local officers and they are not among these armed strangers I do not myself believe that blind obedience is the first thing that comes to mind.
I am not a sheep but an individual with a mind that does still do its' own work, not sure what my immediate response would have been in this situation.
Piss poor execution of a warrant and an execution of a law abiding individual, unless ex LEOs have already convicted RK and decided he deserved 4 bullets to silence him.
John

[Gilroy]

Nope! Cone of silence.

Nope. No cone of silence just about anybody with a computer can go on the SIU website and see the updates, the last being Nov/21.




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