It's over for restricteds

[Gerald]

Just read Lorne Gunter's article in the May 31 Toronto Sun. If the government knows where the illegal guns are coming from why don't they stop them?

[Birdbuff]

Unfortunately most Canadians don’t hunt or own firearms. Many believe that banning all firearms would make their communities safer but don’t realize or care that piling on additional restrictions onto safety conscious and law-abiding firearm owners won’t put a dent in the crime rate. News is about sound bites and very few people have the attention span to dive deep into issues. The future for lawful firearm ownership is bleak!

This is exactly why we should be doing anything possible to educate the public. I don’t have an online presence beyond a few forums to be able to organize a protest at parliament hill, but I’d definitely go to show solidarity. Anyone on here with influence should try to organize something. We need to sway the court of public opinion through facts. They need to know!

[mosquito]

Unfortunately most Canadians don’t hunt or own firearms. Many believe that banning all firearms would make their communities safer but don’t realize or care that piling on additional restrictions onto safety conscious and law-abiding firearm owners won’t put a dent in the crime rate. News is about sound bites and very few people have the attention span to dive deep into issues. The future for lawful firearm ownership is bleak!

That is why the CCFR is having events like the Range day, to garner attention and get people out to shoot who have no clue. There are atleast 26 ranges in Ontario participating. Not a huge impact but something, probably less than 1,000 people but a move away from ignorance still, I mean we already have the PolySouvient idiots calling the bolt actions from Cadex assault weapons (see episode 117 on CCFR thread), their view is the same as the ex-Liberal MP Alan Rocks "only the police and military should have firearms".
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...e-Day-June-4th

Just read Lorne Gunter's article in the May 31 Toronto Sun. If the government knows where the illegal guns are coming from why don't they stop them?

In any issue, problem or crisis there are two options, solve the problem, reducing sentences, paying 1/3 the promised to fight gangs etc. solving doesn't seem to be the goal, OR you can use the problem to achieve a goal. Let's look at their behaviour, fund the media, hide and block corruption, I would say actually encouraging crime and with the new C-71 changes fraud (see lawyer thread), censorship bills over and over, coalition with NDP to keep them in power regardless the situation, their divisive and dehumanizing language against any opposition or dissent..... seems USING and their power and entitlements are the goal to me.
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/st...64416997801990


.... reducing sentences on crimes, bills that do nothing but attack the law abiding based on information so secret he can't tell anyone... or it is made up.



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[Tigboy 304]

Just read Lorne Gunter's article in the May 31 Toronto Sun. If the government knows where the illegal guns are coming from why don't they stop them?

Well to answer your question.That would require work and Liberals don't like to work which is obvious so instead they cherry pick hence coming after law abiding gun owners which again we all know does absolutely nothing to solve the problem. To solve the problem the government needs to give the police the money and tools to go after the one's creating and causing the problems but they are afraid to do that as that would require putting the liberal voting base in jail and they can't have that as Liberals are all about hug a thug and defund the police. Cheers.

[Gun Nut]

This is exactly why we should be doing anything possible to educate the public. I don’t have an online presence beyond a few forums to be able to organize a protest at parliament hill, but I’d definitely go to show solidarity. Anyone on here with influence should try to organize something. We need to sway the court of public opinion through facts. They need to know!

I've been harping for sometime now about the public needing to be educated about firearms and their safe handling and responsible use. Otherwise the Liberals will be able to continually B.S. about how great a job they are doing in terms of keeping the public safe with their gun control policies which are little more than a pain in the A** for law abiding gun owners.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[Marker]

Since we, as a collective group of gun owners, cannot control the actions of others within our group, then we should be the first ones to put up our hands and say the current rules are too relaxed.

If we, as a collective, be the first to say tighten this rule or that rule in order to pre-emptively prevent the governing party from doing so then we will have more control over the ultimate ruling. Actively voicing opinions against a more restrictive system will only drive the Libs into making increasingly tighter rules. Showing responsibility and cooperation as a collective will create a balanced rule system.

[mosquito]

Since we, as a collective group of gun owners, cannot control the actions of others within our group, then we should be the first ones to put up our hands and say the current rules are too relaxed.

If we, as a collective, be the first to say tighten this rule or that rule in order to pre-emptively prevent the governing party from doing so then we will have more control over the ultimate ruling. Actively voicing opinions against a more restrictive system will only drive the Libs into making increasingly tighter rules. Showing responsibility and cooperation as a collective will create a balanced rule system.

Car drivers can't control the behaviour of others, the owner of baseball bats and kitchen knives either, the user of medications can't control their illegal use so your statements holds a failure in logic and an almost rainbow and unicorns view.

For firearms, clearly empirically false, police chiefs say it is a waste and useless, statscan evidence etc., owners of firearms responsibility is to obey the laws and if the laws make no sense or are just plain lies and stupid (OIC, C-71....essentially anything the Libs have said and done on firearms, reference CCFR and Lawyers threads and video by Brian Lilley for example). When a government reduces sentences on crimes, spends 1/3 the amount promised to spend on fighting gangs and then plans to spend way over 3X the PROMISED amount to seize the property of the law abiding. It is time to protest, complain, get political, educated friends and family and work hard to get rid of a government that has shown a tyrannical behaviour!

[newbiehunter]

Since we, as a collective group of gun owners, cannot control the actions of others within our group, then we should be the first ones to put up our hands and say the current rules are too relaxed.

If we, as a collective, be the first to say tighten this rule or that rule in order to pre-emptively prevent the governing party from doing so then we will have more control over the ultimate ruling. Actively voicing opinions against a more restrictive system will only drive the Libs into making increasingly tighter rules. Showing responsibility and cooperation as a collective will create a balanced rule system.

Libs are pushing this agenda not because firearm owners are acting irresponsibly..
But because they need to point the blame finger to someone due to their failed policies.. I don't believe that measures you are suggesting will have any weight in feds decision making...

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[Marker]

Car drivers can't control the behaviour of others, the owner of baseball bats and kitchen knives either, the user of medications can't control their illegal use so your statements holds a failure in logic and an almost rainbow and unicorns view.

For firearms, clearly empirically false, police chiefs say it is a waste and useless, statscan evidence etc., owners of firearms responsibility is to obey the laws and if the laws make no sense or are just plain lies and stupid (OIC, C-71....essentially anything the Libs have said and done on firearms, reference CCFR and Lawyers threads and video by Brian Lilley for example). When a government reduces sentences on crimes, spends 1/3 the amount promised to spend on fighting gangs and then plans to spend way over 3X the PROMISED amount to seize the property of the law abiding. It is time to protest, complain, get political, educated friends and family and work hard to get rid of a government that has shown a tyrannical behaviour!

The arguments you made above, and that planes were not banned after 9/11 (Lauren Boebert), does not take into account the public's reaction to the victims which the current governing party will consider most.

Neither does does it accept responsibility as a member of a group whose intent is continued use of firearms.

If we don't control ourselves as a collective then we will be controlled by the government due to the actions of a few individuals, which do you want.

[mosquito]

The arguments you made above, and that planes were not banned after 9/11 (Lauren Boebert), does not take into account the public's reaction to the victims which the current governing party will consider most.

Neither does does it accept responsibility as a member of a group whose intent is continued use of firearms.

If we don't control ourselves as a collective then we will be controlled by the government due to the actions of a few individuals, which do you want.

As a collective car owners are not held accountable for the individual actions and restrictions put on them in that regard. Alcohol for example causes more deaths, damage to familys, human abuse and as a partaker (I assume) do you suggest that all booze be watered down to 1%? As the owner of a vehicle or a kitchen knife do you want sanctions because of no personal fault.

The governments actions and those of the antifirearm advocates show no regard for the real problems but just an ideological disconnect from reality, bans on booze, governors on cars, 1" kitchen knives are not reality and shouldn't be.The idea that a law abiding person is the problem when stats can for example shows that firearms owners are far less likely to commit crimes than the general public but should be held responsible shows a logical disconnect. Maybe you should start with watching the Brian Lilley video earlier in this thread.

Based on the stats can evidence a better solution would be to require the general population to take the PAL course, buy a firearm and join those that already have their record checked by the police on a daily basis since a firearm owner is far less likely to be a criminal than a member of the general public. The criminals, smugglers and traffickers will continue to smuggle guns, drugs, people or whatever other criminal activity they choose regardless of the laws... just incase you missed the obvious reality, let me say it again... THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

The publics reaction is created and led by a media and politicians that lie, fear monger and have shown themselves to be untrustworthy, hence groups like the CCFR having a range day to try and get more people out to be educated. Truth, education... you know reality, is that the legislation we have now are far more than adequate, the ones coming in are nothing but the attempt to seize property belonging to the law abiding and the government having shown their hand by reducing sentences and spending less than 1/3 the promised amount to keep kids out of gangs has shown it isn't interested in solving the problem and peoples safety, only in using the problem to create fear and to their advantage.