Hunter reporting penalties increase

[MeghanOOD]

https://oodmag.com/hunter-reporting-penalties-increase/

The financial penalty for failing to submit a mandatory hunter report two or more times for a species in Ontario is increasing.

[Gilroy]

https://oodmag.com/hunter-reporting-penalties-increase/

The financial penalty for failing to submit a mandatory hunter report two or more times for a species in Ontario is increasing.

Probably the complete wrong way to go, if you start messing around with hunters and imposing increasing penalties, your not going to get accurate results, probably the opposite.

Do we not have enough chit to put up with as hunters to have to now worry about complying with more petty regulation.

I know I will not have to worry about a Moose questioner return this year, as I am not buying a license. Kill to birds with one stone, no money to the government and no additional money as a penalty for not filling out their paperwork demands.

This whole this in BACKWARDS, we are the taxpayers WHO PAY THE WAGES TO THESE FOLKS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE POPULATION AND ISSUE TAGS.

Why is the burden on us HUNTERS to do everything for the so called MANAGERS.

[trimmer21]

Probably the complete wrong way to go, if you start messing around with hunters and imposing increasing penalties, your not going to get accurate results, probably the opposite.

Do we not have enough chit to put up with as hunters to have to now worry about complying with more petty regulation.

I know I will not have to worry about a Moose questioner return this year, as I am not buying a license. Kill to birds with one stone, no money to the government and no additional money as a penalty for not filling out their paperwork demands.

This whole this in BACKWARDS, we are the taxpayers WHO PAY THE WAGES TO THESE FOLKS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE POPULATION AND ISSUE TAGS.

Why is the burden on us HUNTERS to do everything for the so called MANAGERS.

Now,just hold on a minute. If those bureaucrats can't get data from us,that means they have to get it themselves in the form of expensive surveys so they don't have to come out from behind their cushy office desks and that costs big bucks which we ultimately have to pay for in the form of increased fees for everything. Those people could screw up The Lord's Prayer (if they knew it),so,let's keep giving them all the data they need. Then,we don't need to deal with the fall-out.

[Gilroy]

Now,just hold on a minute. If those bureaucrats can't get data from us,that means they have to get it themselves in the form of expensive surveys so they don't have to come out from behind their cushy office desks and that costs big bucks which we ultimately have to pay for in the form of increased fees for everything. Those people could screw up The Lord's Prayer (if they knew it),so,let's keep giving them all the data they need. Then,we don't need to deal with the fall-out.

LOL But we do deal with the fall out, screwed up Moose system, screwed up bait harvest system, probably should not go on, I am starting to get depressed.

[finsfurfeathers]

A request to submit some info on your hunt that literally takes 10 minutes to fill out is too much of a burden? You remember to buy your permits, hours spent driving back and forth, hours spent in the field yet filling out a form is too much. Personally the penalties are not enough I'd go even further. Some people just have an inability to just comply to the point maybe they should be told DO NOT SEND A REPORT

[gbk]

If they use the money to good cause...why not?
If they use that money to keep "our"cost down-why not?
If all other Hunting rules and regulations must be adhere to(mostly rightfully so)-why this one is so bad?

[Gilroy]

If they use the money to good cause...why not?
If they use that money to keep "our"cost down-why not?
If all other Hunting rules and regulations must be adhere to(mostly rightfully so)-why this one is so bad?

You have a 100 acre cattle farm and you pay a manager a good salary to run the farm for you, your cattle produce offspring during the year, at the end of the year you ask your manager how many of the cattle you can harvest to market. The manager then asks you the employer to go around the farm and count them for him and next year the manager will make a decision based on the employers survey. LOL

The whole point is, if we have so many rules and regulations already, why do they have to pile on and add more of them.

[Gilroy]

A request to submit some info on your hunt that literally takes 10 minutes to fill out is too much of a burden? You remember to buy your permits, hours spent driving back and forth, hours spent in the field yet filling out a form is too much. Personally the penalties are not enough I'd go even further. Some people just have an inability to just comply to the point maybe they should be told DO NOT SEND A REPORT

Or don't fill in any but end up on the phone for 20 minutes 1-800-288-1155.

[finsfurfeathers]

You have a 100 acre cattle farm and you pay a manager a good salary to run the farm for you, your cattle produce offspring during the year, at the end of the year you ask your manager how many of the cattle you can harvest to market. The manager then asks you the employer to go around the farm and count them for him and next year the manager will make a decision based on the employers survey. LOL

The whole point is, if we have so many rules and regulations already, why do they have to pile on and add more of them.

Ya that's how management works
Manager: while you are out feeding, watering and mucking out the stalls please do a head count and report back to me your finding.
Employee: sure boss no problem

Manager : great see you tomorrow
or
Manager: while you are out feeding, watering and mucking out the stalls please do a head count and report back to me your finding.
Employee: Hey I do enough 'round here go count your own damm cows!
Manager : great, don't bother coming in tomorrow

or lets bring it closer to home remember when you said
"[COLOR=#000000]How do I know this, well my whole career as a Police officer both in Toronto , and Glasgow, Scotland was based on "walking the beat as a community based officer" I spent a FULL 15 years in the worse housing project area in my zone. In that time period I knew everybody a COP needed no know, including their extended families. Getting a criminal arrest every two days was the normal and it got to the stage where I just needed to identify suspects simply by description or nickname and I could get arrests from reports other COPS had submitted."
Would like too know if your supervisor said
"You spent alot of time walking the beat and getting to know problem areas could you submit a report outlining the areas were we can improve"
Would your response still be you get paid the big bucks if you want the info go get it yourself?

[Gilroy]

"Would like too know if your supervisor said
"You spent alot of time walking the beat and getting to know problem areas could you submit a report outlining the areas were we can improve"
Would your response still be you get paid the big bucks if you want the info go get it yourself?"

Supervisors never asked anything, they were only to happy to get willing boots on the ground. Sure I spent a lot of time but it was far cheaper than a scout car and more effective.
Nobody asked for ways to improve as our presence there was already deemed by management to be an improvement, hence the investment.
One COP can walk a beat and learn nothing , another can have initiative and gather information.
My information gathering, equaled arrests, which equaled overtime and court time.
Therefore my hard gained information stayed in my computer (brain) when I decided to use it or not, real simple really.
The management did not need information, they just needed results which they got. No questions asked.