explain to me why ohep cost 300 bucks?

[mark270wsm]

its done online there is no course material . I just think there is a need for change, or free enterprise with out some one saying what to charge .I like how you call it ranting when all i am doing is bringing to light that we are getting hosed for a sport we like and it is time for us to take back our sport it may hurt some toes but oh well . so far in this thread i think most can agree to a point that there may be some price fixing , not being allowed to take course because of others the area, its a set price which i am no laywer but it sounds like price fixing to me (Price fixing is an agreement between participants on the same side in a market to buy or sell a product, service, or commodity only at a fixed price, or maintain the market conditions such that the price is maintained at a given level by controlling supply and demand )

[mark270wsm]

big jake 1907 i bet you voted liberal as well.... I have passed my hunter safety course years ago. If you think I am bashing the ohep I may be, but I think i am trying to make it better and more cost effective for OTHERS Who cant afford to hunt and would like to . Why should someone benefit from something that is mandated and price fixed in my opinion . As far as move on No one care about my hate for the ohep program cost.. i have had a lot of visitors and pm sent to me not realizing the cost in other jurisdiction and are now informed people wondering why the cost is so high. so i have done my part and am waiting for my return call from my MPP to look into why the cost is so high . why shut down a thread that is bringing knowledge to the cost of hunting .

[patvetzal]

Someone has already mentioned "skinning the customer....er cat" rather. Anytime that someone bases the cost on how much the customer will pay, instead of how much is their legitimate overhead, I always think that it is either being run by a politician or a company with NO competition, like Ontario Hydro.

I did not choose to hunt because it was cheaper than bowling or golf but because it was MY choice of where, when, and how to hunt. I would hope that my kids would also have a choice which hunters course to take, taught by an instructor of THEIR choice at a price they can afford. Not a price that makes it equal with golf or scuba diving.....

It used to be that some instructors had a good reputation, others were guys who knew their stuff, but couldn't teach a frog to swim. Some always had full courses because they kept the price down and still did a great job. Others had full courses because they were the only game in the area...and didn't give a dam....

[hunterforever]

I wish I could remember what it cost for courses more than 20 years ago...

[Bigbear]

I don't have a problem with the cost of the course, after all, you have the alternative of challenging the course.

What I do have a problem with is that some instructors are very petty and resent the fact that they are not taking $300 from a student, so fail them when they take the test just to teach them a lesson. I know of one instructor who openly brags about the fact that he fails everyone who "insults" him by not paying $300 to take "his" course.

This could be prevented if the challenge exam was conducted by a neutral 3rd party.

[Pat32rf]

Well, forty years ago most instructors charged enough to cover their expenses. They would give the course in their rec room, garage or donated space . Students would get coffee and cookies, donuts etc. They would often get to take a few guns out to someone's range and actually fire them at the end of the course. Very seldom did anyone fail because if a student was weak they would get extra help until they knew what they were doing.
I imagine that the instructors house insurance covered any chance of an accident that might result in a lawsuit but back then lawyers were few and far between with lawsuits being almost unknown and seldom worried about.
The instructors did it because they liked working with guns and shooters, this gave them a chance to practice their "trade".

[Pat32rf]

If you can still just challenge the exam, why can't you just pick someone to teach you and give them "gas money"?
This is beginning to sound like the boating course.......

[MikePal]

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What I do have a problem with is that some instructors are very petty and resent the fact that they are not taking $300 from a student, so fail them when they take the test just to teach them a lesson. I know of one instructor who openly brags about the fact that he fails everyone who "insults" him by not paying $300 to take "his" course.

This could be prevented if the challenge exam was conducted by a neutral 3rd party.

I love that..classic...guy thinks he knows it all..."don't need no stinking course" and challenges the exam. Fails then blames it on the tester...LOL...

My buddy challenged the exams here. He was a long time hunter from another province and had taken the course there etc...he walked in and passed no problem. If you know what is required to pass they don't (can't) fail you out of spite...ridiculous.
My course was very clear..the testers we're independent from the instructors....came in just for the exam. Made it appear above board, especially since there were two testers.

We keep having these threads about the cost of hunting, be it the course, equipment, tags, licences etc...It's a sport, it voluntary and it's no different than a vast majority of other sports that you can get involved in...play Hockey ?.....(I could have paid for the entire hunt camps cost for 5 guys with what it cost me to put 2 kids in hockey for a 5 month season...LOL)

If you want to enjoy the fun things in life it cost money and it mean you have to make a sacrifice to make it happen. Looking for a shoulder to cry on doesn't do much in the way of attaining your goals.

[werner.reiche]

I love that..classic...guy thinks he knows it all..."don't need no stinking course" and challenges the exam. Fails then blames it on the tester...LOL...

My buddy challenged the exams here. He was a long time hunter from another province and had taken the course there etc...he walked in and passed no problem. If you know what is required to pass they don't (can't) fail you out of spite...ridiculous.
My course was very clear..the testers we're independent from the instructors....came in just for the exam. Made it appear above board, especially since there were two testers.

We keep having these threads about the cost of hunting, be it the course, equipment, tags, licences etc...It's a sport, it voluntary and it's no different than a vast majority of other sports that you can get involved in...play Hockey ?.....(I could have paid for the entire hunt camps cost for 5 guys with what it cost me to put 2 kids in hockey for a 5 month season...LOL)

If you want to enjoy the fun things in life it cost money and it mean you have to make a sacrifice to make it happen. Looking for a shoulder to cry on doesn't do much in the way of attaining your goals.

Good points all around Mike.

Re: challenging - if you challenge the firearms exam without studying the manual carefully, you will fail.
How many of you lever action or semi-auto users check your barrel for obstructions by looking up the business end of the barrel - something I was taught to *never* do?

[HuntCamp'r]

Just as a bit of a comparison...... Through work, I am a member of a local business networking group... that consistently offers seminars and training courses, "Lean Manufacturing", "Lean Supervisor", etc, etc... They typically would have 20-30 participants.

A typical fee for one of these 2 day courses would be $800 per person or $700 if you are a member.