Smokeless powder safety - warning graphic content (hand injury)

[MikePal]

He fired one shot,poured the powder down the barrel,put the wad and ball on the muzzle,started to ram the bullet down and BANG!

Hard to see how that happened....if there was an ember down in the breach it would have ignited the powder as soon and he put it in or as he tamped it down....it would have gone off with nothing more than a flash. The chances of it not igniting till after he had the wad and ball in are hugely slim.

[jlmorgan]

Hard to see how that happened....if there was an ember down in the breach it would have ignited the powder as soon and he put it in or as he tamped it down....it would have gone off with nothing more than a flash. The chances of it not igniting till after he had the wad and ball in are hugely slim.

Yeah sounds to me like there was a primer on the nipple or possibly even accidently dropped down the barrel, the savage smokeless incident appears more to me like a barrel obstruction rather than an overload, possibly double loaded the projectile!

[rcoulas]

If you re read the information it has nothing to do with ember in the barrel or the charge going off while loading. The person used a black powder volumetric powder measure to measure a smokeless load. He could have had double or triple charged the rifle depending on the powder used, that is why a scale is recommended. Then the gun was fired and the barrel burst causing the injuries. Not sure how the hot ember idea got started but its about using the proper method to measure the powder.

[JUDGE]

But remember he was shooting smokeless powder , its a lot more powerful.

[jlmorgan]

If you re read the information it has nothing to do with ember in the barrel or the charge going off while loading. The person used a black powder volumetric powder measure to measure a smokeless load. He could have had double or triple charged the rifle depending on the powder used, that is why a scale is recommended. Then the gun was fired and the barrel burst causing the injuries. Not sure how the hot ember idea got started but its about using the proper method to measure the powder.

If you re read the information in all the posts you will realize there are two different situations being discussed here with some good information being passed on to those who are interested

[rcoulas]

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[trimmer21]

Hard to see how that happened....if there was an ember down in the breach it would have ignited the powder as soon and he put it in or as he tamped it down....it would have gone off with nothing more than a flash. The chances of it not igniting till after he had the wad and ball in are hugely slim.

Yeah sounds to me like there was a primer on the nipple or possibly even accidently dropped down the barrel, the savage smokeless incident appears more to me like a barrel obstruction rather than an overload, possibly double loaded the projectile!

I don't know enough about M/L's ,their workings or black powder to comment. I'm not sure what caused the accident. I just know that I don't ever intend to find out the hard way.

[MikePal]

I just know that I don't ever intend to find out the hard way.

I won't show you any pictures of a chainsaw accident then, you may never use one them either....how about knives, do you have any in the kitchen

[MikePal]

That whole story is flaky....it's been floated around the net for years and no one has ever been able to corroborate it.

Randy Wakeman discussed it in the article on the Lawsuits Savage was facing.

http://randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm

A fellow from Canada sent Toby pictures of a rifle that he allegedly blew-up and further claimed that he was using 42.5 grains of SR-4759 and a 250 grain Barnes. All of this is more than a bit odd, as we don't have any witnesses, no sworn statement, no corroboration, no professional investigation of the incident, and no proper examination of the rifle-- or any examination of the rifle at all for that matter.

[MikePal]

the savage smokeless incident appears more to me like a barrel obstruction rather than an overload, possibly double loaded the projectile!

from my reading that is what was suspected...a double load...