8 mth Lab growling

[400bigbear]

Next time your up let me see and hear this growl Rick . It's not hard to figger out what he is up to or isn't , and what it takes to fix, if it needs fixing at all . I've had everything from banty roosters ,to billy goats , to horses , including dogs try and pull rank at some time or another . A young pup like him is an easy tell what he is up too and easy to fix if like I said if it even needs fixing . For anyone to analyze it just by reading your posts is wrong . And yes dogs do use the pack mentality when dealing with humans and anybody saying they don't are rookies and have no idea of animal behaviour in general and how a pecking order exists ALWAYS .

TD

[welsh]

And yes dogs do use the pack mentality when dealing with humans and anybody saying they don't are rookies and have no idea of animal behaviour in general ....

ROFL. Oh, jeez. Tears streaming down my face at that one.

You're saying that people who do nothing but study animal behaviour, day in and day out, for a living, are rookies with no idea of animal behaviour.

That's rich. If you can come up with this kind of stuff on the fly, you've missed your calling. You should be doing stand-up comedy.

[Jakezilla]

Welsh, you really deny the pack relationship between dogs and humans?

[welsh]

That depends what is meant by "pack," but in a word, yes. Rather than clutter up this thread with the explanations, I'll put some thoughts together and start a new one.

[400bigbear]

ROFL. Oh, jeez. Tears streaming down my face at that one.

You're saying that people who do nothing but study animal behaviour, day in and day out, for a living, are rookies with no idea of animal behaviour.

That's rich. If you can come up with this kind of stuff on the fly, you've missed your calling. You should be doing stand-up comedy.

I've been dealing with animals all my life Welsh and it's called EXPERIENCE not some THEORY you so like to quote from others . Yes much of my EXPERIENCE comes from doing it for a living unlike the pencil pushers you so much like to quote because you have zero EXPERIENCE yourself .

TD

That depends what is meant by "pack," but in a word, yes. Rather than clutter up this thread with the explanations, I'll put some thoughts together and start a new one.

No ,please don't make us groan through another one of your THEORIES where you quote some pencil pusher . It just means more BS .

TD

[grizzlygreig]

I think the family becomes the pack once they leave the mother... And only one way to move up is to test members for weakness... But I am not a trainer... But have had dogs all my life... And have been tested.

[yellow dog]

ROFL. Oh, jeez. Tears streaming down my face at that one.

You're saying that people who do nothing but study animal behaviour, day in and day out, for a living, are rookies with no idea of animal behaviour.

That's rich. If you can come up with this kind of stuff on the fly, you've missed your calling. You should be doing stand-up comedy.

Welsh you crack me up believing everything you read. The twenty plus years I had at least forty to sixty dogs go through my kennel possibly more and witnessed with my very own eyes the pack mentality. Late fall until the next spring i worked dogs day in and day out and kept journals of individual dogs . The spring i raised litters of pups that i studied very carefully and many were shipped to other working kennels all over the world. I am one of those people you speak of and many others I worked closely and sharing experiences. I didn't do this to be paid i did this because of the passion i had and interest of animal behaviour of my chosen breed the Siberian Husky. I had three distinct working bloodlines in my kennel all three displaying remarkable work ethic. The last bloodline that I brought in about five years before i retired showed a very wolf like behaviour. It was very interesting and at times became difficult to deal with. Even one particular female out of that bloodline while giving birth to pups would squat in the same manner as a wolf delivering her young . I studied this behaviour not by reading a book or watching it on TV but by being fortunate to live a life most people may never experience. Not every breed behaves the same way as your spaniels or even a primitive breed such as a Canadian Inuit dog. Get yourself a load of dogs and study them for the next twenty years and get back to all of us with your findings.

[welsh]

I've been dealing with animals all my life Welsh....

So have I. The fact that I am flexible enough to accept new ideas doesn't mean I have no experience.

Welsh you crack me up believing everything you read.

Actually, I don't believe everything I read. And I change my mind when I run across more compelling evidence. For example, I changed my mind on this very subject.

The twenty plus years I had at least forty to sixty dogs go through my kennel possibly more and witnessed with my very own eyes the pack mentality.

I don't doubt that you would see pack behaviour among groups of dogs, and I don't doubt that you would see more wolf-like behaviour among some groups of huskies. None of that has any bearing on the real question here.

By the way, if you intend to trial or test your spaniel in this province, you're going to meet me in person and have a face-to-face conversation. You might want to bear that in mind when you tell me how funny you find me.

[grizzlygreig]

By the way, if you intend to trial or test your spaniel in this province, you're going to meet me in person and have a face-to-face conversation. You might want to bear that in mind when you tell me how funny you find me.

so are you saying that you will judge this mans dog differently because he finds your theory funny?... That's not right.

[welsh]

so are you saying that you will judge this mans dog differently because he finds your theory funny?

I don't judge, so no.

I am just saying that we are going to end up meeting, so we shouldn't be any ruder here than we absolutely need to be. I am sure YD and I will have some good conversations in the real world, which is often a better place to talk about things like this. "That's wrong" offends people a lot more when it's put in writing and posted in public.

Incidentally, this isn't my theory. It is the accepted scientific understanding of human-dog social relationships. The dominance theory was the accepted theory about 20 years ago. When people crap all over me they are really just shooting the messenger.