Wow this could cost us

[MikePal]

I think by some of the responses here, some guys are woefully ignorant ( or ill informed) as to what the MNR does in regards to where the SPA funds go.

Take some time to read thru the report at link and see some of what is done with the funds from the SPA and what is expected from the them. They do a whole lot more than worry about feeding deer in the winter...(which is a no-no according to the MNR).

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_109163.pdf

[skeeter1]

I think by some of the responses here, some guys are woefully ignorant ( or ill informed) as to what the MNR does in regards to where the SPA funds go.

Take some time to read thru the report at link and see some of what is done with the funds from the SPA and what is expected from the them. They do a whole lot more than worry about feeding deer in the winter...(which is a no-no by the way).


http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_109163.pdf

That's a whole new thread, "How many deer have been killed by feeding them bagged corn?"

[B Wilson]

With the amount of baby boomers that pay for fishing licenses today,who are about to cross over into the free zone, there will be a drastic change in income from fishing licenses. They need to make some changes. the money has to come from somewhere.

[400bigbear]

Yup the more money we put in , the more pencil pushing bureaucrats will be hired . I still recall many years ago when the card came out . They told us then more CO's would be hired for enforcement etc .Never happened . Most went along for the ride including yours truly . It took them till just recently for the verification strip on the back of the card to actually work and now we have to carry more paperwork . Yeah they know how to save money and streamline things alright . That clown show couldn't organize a gang bang in an outhouse if they tried . They know how to rape us blind though and I guess this is called foreplay .

Anyone for this has not spent much time in other provinces hunting or fishing where the resource is in great shape compared to here . This province sucks compared to others for fishing and hunting . WHY ? And yes HUNTING and FISHING is a right . It's written into the Heritage Act as one .

TD

[Bluebulldog]

And yes HUNTING and FISHING is a right . It's written into the Heritage Act as one .

Source please?

Heritage Act Ontario spells out the preservation of culture, mainly through building environment, and culturally significant areas, and items.

Heritage Conservation Act of Canada spells out things much the same way.

Rights afforded Canadians are what is spelled out Under the Charter. If you stand in front of a Judge you can have your hunting and fishing privileges revoked....a court does not have the power to revoke anyone's rights guaranteed under the Charter, period.

[MikePal]

Source please?

BigBear is right...it is in the act;

Preamble

Recreational hunting and fishing have played important roles in shaping Ontario’s social, cultural and economic heritage. Recreational hunters and anglers have made important contributions to the understanding, conservation, restoration and management of Ontario’s fish and wildlife resources. The best traditions of recreational hunting and fishing should be valued by future generations.
Therefore, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario, enacts as follows:
Right to hunt and fish
1. (1) A person has a right to hunt and fish in accordance with the law. 2002, c. 10, s. 1 (1).
Same
(2) The reference to the law in subsection (1) includes the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, the Fisheries Act (Canada), the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada) and the regulations made under those Acts. 2002, c. 10, s. 1 (2).


http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...es_02h10_e.htm

However in accordance with the MNR and the regulations governing Hunting and Fishing in the Province:

Your Outdoors Card, licence tag or e-licence

and any applicable licence must be current for you to have a
particular hunting or fishing privilege.

Your Outdoors Card is not transferable to another
person – it provides privileges to you alone

Hunting version Outdoors Card holders may qualify for
instant small game hunting and fishing privileges.

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...ent/239844.pdf

So you have the right to be able to hunt...but to do so is a privilege

[400bigbear]

Thankyou Mike Pal . I knew it was because our local MP was instrumental in seeing it pass but it's a long read to find as it relates to us a hunters,trappers and fishermen . And yes to some degree a privilege because of licensing etc provincially .

Thanks again for taking the time for looking it up Mike . I knew somebody would want it substantiated but knew it was there , somewhere . I should save it for reference ,

TD

[welsh]

HRights afforded Canadians are what is spelled out Under the Charter.

Well, Canadians do enjoy other rights that are not specifically spelled out in the Charter, and the courts recognize that. In fact the Charter says flat out (in s. 26) that just because a right ain't in the charter doesn't mean it ain't a right.

However, there is no "right" to hunt and fish. That right does not exist in English common law, and fish and game laws in Canada have been around for a long time (longer, perhaps, than Canada itself). We've had hunting licences in some provinces for about a century. So there's no basis to say that we enjoy an individual right to hunt or fish.

[Bluebulldog]

BigBear is right...it is in the act;



However in accordance with the MNR and the regulations governing Hunting and Fishing in the Province:



So you have the right to be able to hunt...but to do so is a privilege

Thanks Mike.

400BB. For what it's worth, you referenced the Heritage Act, which I deal with pretty extensively, not the "Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act". Which up until Mike posted, I had absolutely no knowledge of. If you reference hunting and fishing rights..the main thing that gets sourced is referencing 1st Nations.

[welsh]

A "right" to hunt and fish "in accordance with the law" doesn't imply that licensing infringes the right, for the obvious reason that licensing is among the laws you must hunt and fish in accordance with. So all this means is that you can't be prevented from hunting or fishing as long as you're following the law.

That's the same bad logic that sees a right to keep and bear arms arising out of the 1689 English Bill of Rights, which specifically says that such a right is "subject to the law." Bruce Montague argued that C-68 was unconstitutional based on the Bill of Rights and s. 26, but the court pointed to the phrase "subject to the law" and dismissed his argument. So in fact, the idea that licensing could infringe a right that is subject to the law has already been specifically rejected by the courts.