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Thread: Feeding Fido Raw Pet Food a Risky Choice: FDA Doing so raises risk of food poisoning

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    Quote Originally Posted by last5oh_302 View Post
    Chicken alone won't meet everything needed for a healthy diet.
    I was actually surprised at how nutritional raw chicken is...

    check out the chart...

    http://www.nationalchickencouncil.or...ue-of-chicken/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    I was actually surprised at how nutritional raw chicken is...

    check out the chart...

    http://www.nationalchickencouncil.or...ue-of-chicken/
    That's all Chinese to me. So it's good eh? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by last5oh_302 View Post
    That's all Chinese to me. So it's good eh? lol
    No guarantees if it's Chinese chicken however..LOL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    No guarantees if it's Chinese chicken however..LOL...
    LOL!

    Good point, which leads me back to kibble being a craps shoot.
    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    NO he asked :

    I sure hope no one feeds their dog just chicken....they need a balanced diet..just like us.
    Thats my point. Other than protein and fat in the chicken what is the breakdown of necessary nutrients? Are the parts that get ground up like bone, beaks and cartilage actually as nutritious as the muscle we humans eat off a chicken? Not saying raw is bad for a dog at all. I just dont believe its all people think it is.
    I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrym View Post
    Thats my point. Other than protein and fat in the chicken what is the breakdown of necessary nutrients? Are the parts that get ground up like bone, beaks and cartilage actually as nutritious as the muscle we humans eat off a chicken? Not saying raw is bad for a dog at all. I just dont believe its all people think it is.
    I think grinding it up takes away the benefits raw has on cleaning teeth and teaching a dog how to chew rather than gulping down kibble all the time. Bone also consists of calcium of course.
    Rick

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    All this talk of chicken i decided to barbecue chicken tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last5oh_302 View Post
    You have no control over the risk whether you buy raw or kibble....
    So you've analyzed the risk of salmonella or other foodborne illness posed by various brands of food vs. raw, based of course on statistically valid samples of each food, and concluded that the risk is the same?

    That's what the FDA has done:
    http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/.../ucm373757.htm

    Others have reached similar conclusions:
    http://now.tufts.edu/news-releases/r...sed-diets-pets

    Of course, dogs are a bit more bulletproof than people, or at least bullet resistant, because of their shorter intestinal tracts. They get away with scarfing things down that would lay any of us low. And you have some control over the risk based on your storage and prep practices, so it is tough to say what the actual risk is.

    People may choose to feed raw because they believe they can provide better nutrition that way, or because they believe they reduce the risk of health problems caused by nasty additives. This evidence says nothing about that. But it does tell us that people who cite salmonella as a problem with kibble that a raw diet solves are simply wrong on the facts.
    Last edited by welsh; July 3rd, 2014 at 11:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welsh View Post
    So you've analyzed the risk of salmonella or other foodborne illness posed by various brands of food vs. raw, based of course on statistically valid samples of each food, and concluded that the risk is the same?
    Quote Originally Posted by welsh View Post
    This evidence says nothing about that. But it does tell us that people who cite salmonella as a problem with kibble that a raw diet solves are simply wrong on the facts.
    There have been a whack of dry food recalls due to salmonella over the years. The same foods that are checked by the FDA. All I said is the risk is there.

    http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recalls/

    A couple of different views on this study by the FDA. Things that make you go, hmmm:



    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites...food-diet.aspx

    By Dr. Becker
    Recently the FDA issued an outrageous warning to pet owners on its website that is oh-so-subtly titled, “Get the Facts! Raw Pet Food Diets can be Dangerous to You and Your Pet.1 The warning cites a two-year “study” the FDA conducted in which the agency screened over 1,000 samples of pet food for bacteria that causes foodborne illness.
    Curiously, according to the FDA, the only pet foods during that two-year sampling period that turned up positive for bacteria were commercial raw pet foods. According to their study results, out of 196 samples of raw food tested, 15 were positive for salmonella, and 32 were positive for Listeria monocytogenes. But out of the 860 samples of processed foods -- including “dry exotic” pet food, jerky treats, semi-moist dog and cat food, and dry dog and cat food -- just one lonely sample showed positive for bacteria. Just one.
    So during their two-year study that ran from approximately July 2010 through July 2012, they found ZERO bacteria of concern in any of the processed pet food samples they tested? That is nothing short of miraculous given the number of recalls during the same period.
    A cursory glance at the FDA website lists 13 pet food recalls from July 2010 through December 2010, seven of which were clearly due to salmonella contamination. In 2011, the FDA lists 18 recalls, seven for salmonella. And from January to July 2012, there were 16 recalls, 9 for salmonella contamination. Also interesting is the fact that none of those recalls were for commercial raw pet foods.
    Given these facts, how can anyone take the FDA’s “study” and its warning about “dangerous” raw pet foods seriously? What is the FDA hoping to accomplish with this misguided effort? I’d like to suggest they redirect their reportedly meager resources toward warning pet owners about the imported jerky treats that have been poisoning and killing dogs for nearly a decade.
    The Anti-Raw Movement: Misinformed or Deliberately Deceitful?

    Like other oversight organizations that have taken a very public stand against raw pet food diets, it would appear the FDA is also woefully uninformed about the types of raw food currently on the market.
    There is a whole class of raw foods currently available that are sterile at the time of purchase. Just as much of the human meat supply has been treated with a sterilization technique called high pressure pasteurization (HPP), many raw commercially available pet foods have also opted for this sterilization technique to reduce potential pathogens.
    As for “non-sterile” raw diets (which healthy pets should be consuming)… most adults understand that handling raw meat carries the potential for contact with pathogens, which is why appropriate sanitary measures are important whether you’re handling your pet’s raw food or your own. These risks are no different than the risks of handling burgers prior to grilling them, or making fresh chicken soup for your family.
    Despite the inherent risks associated with handling raw meat, pet owners have been feeding raw diets to their dogs and cats for decades, yet to date, not one documented case of raw pet food causing illness in humans has been reported.
    If you’re already successfully feeding your pet a raw diet, I hope you will disregard the FDA’s ill-informed warning and continue to offer your dog or cat real, fresh, living foods.
    If you’re interested in feeding raw or learning more about it, there are many informative videos and articles here at Mercola Healthy Pets. A good place to start is my 3-part video series on raw diets for pets:
    http://truthaboutpetfood.com/fda-ans...pet-food-study

    http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites...food-diet.aspx
    Last edited by last5oh_302; July 4th, 2014 at 12:28 AM.
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    Fact is raw food bears a significantly higher risk of microbial contamination. There may be some inherent contamination like parasites, which boiling typically takes care of and there is the topic of handling and storage. So, at least to me, there is a major difference between "raw" and "raw/fresh". Cooking (not talking about medium raw) will take care of the live stuff, but not necessarily of toxins built by microbes.
    Processed feed isn't as likely to be microbiologically contaminated (unless somebody really screwed up big times), but it's just like our processed food - not really healthy either.
    Reality for most of us, myself included, is that we don't have time to "cook fresh" for the dog every day. So, my personal risk assessment translates pretty much into the following: mostly top brand dry food, meat from fresh birds (still warm) when available ;-)
    On the other hand, if you can be sure that meat was handled properly and stored below 5C throughout (hard to do in the field...) the risk isn't that high. Remember those bugs need time and the right environment to grow (by the way meat is damn good). So, if it's healthy, fresh (or shock frozen right away - nether thawed), I’d say yes. However, raw intestines are another dicey topic as the likelihood for parasite infestation can be high.
    Last edited by Waftrudnir; July 4th, 2014 at 06:24 AM.

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