Definition of Sharing a firearm?

[chris1395]

Sure you may get a CO that would let it slide. You may also get one that will not. How can you, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove that you are being legal when you have a second gun in the blind? Cased and locked how does a CO know you didn't have two guns out 10 minutes before they arrived? Or what if they are waiting at a checkpoint area and you both arrive with guns in cases? How do YOU prove to them you only had one out at a time? I guess how do THEY prove you did at the same time? Pretty difficult for everyone involved. In my mind it's easy, give your daughter the gun that works for her, give her the trigger time, and you make do, it's her passion you're trying to foster and grow. Who knows she may teach you something while you're watching

[finsfurfeathers]

So here's a little hearsay possibly rural legend story. Seems there was this old guy duck hunting mud lake. After a morning hunt with a buddy went out again in the afternoon by himself. buddy had left his unloaded yet uncased gun in the boat. CO doing a check found all okay except for the second gun. Ended up giving the guy a ticket and said if that gun was in the case all would of been okay. Not exactly what your asking but my inference is if the gun is in case than its not being used. Sort of think its like you got to have your gun encased 1/2 hour after sundown to 1/2 hour before sun up.

[rick_iles]

10. (1) Subject to this section, the hunter apprenticeship safety card shall be deemed to be a hunting licence. O. Reg. 665/98, s. 10 (1).
(2) The deemed licence is subject to the following conditions:
1. Wildlife may be hunted by the apprentice only under the direct and immediate supervision of a hunter who is at least 18 years of age and who holds a hunting licence to hunt the species of wildlife that the apprentice is hunting.
2. The holder of a class A1 hunter apprenticeship safety card shall not carry or use a firearm other than the single firearm that he or she is sharing with the licensed hunter under whose supervision he or she is hunting.

The section above is from Ontario Regulation 665 / 98.

[rick_iles]

So here's a little hearsay possibly rural legend story. Seems there was this old guy duck hunting mud lake. After a morning hunt with a buddy went out again in the afternoon by himself. buddy had left his unloaded yet uncased gun in the boat. CO doing a check found all okay except for the second gun. Ended up giving the guy a ticket and said if that gun was in the case all would of been okay. Not exactly what your asking but my inference is if the gun is in case than its not being used. Sort of think its like you got to have your gun encased 1/2 hour after sundown to 1/2 hour before sun up.

Off topic a bit but the "one firearm" regulation pertains only to hunting waterfowl. You may carry and use as many guns as you want to hunt other game, as long as the firearm is legal for the game being hunted.
Thats likely why it's in the FWCA, rather than the MBCA.

[welsh]

2. The holder of a class A1 hunter apprenticeship safety card shall not carry or use a firearm other than the single firearm that he or she is sharing with the licensed hunter under whose supervision he or she is hunting.

The section above is from Ontario Regulation 665 / 98.

Very helpful. Thanks for looking that up.

[DGM999]

Look up your local ministry office and give them a call, I've had great luck in getting my questions answered, from experience they do want to help. I typically call the office in the area I am going to hunt, so, even being in Southern Ontario will call a Northern office for clarification, after all, these are the guys your likely to encounter. State your concern clearly, I'm confident you'll get straight answers. My understanding of the law is you can only have 1 gun uncased and loaded at a time in this situation.

[TPM]

lol you guys are talking about CO and its really not even there jurisdiction its the Feds that over see the rules and regulation on migratory game birds .. talk to the feds on rules .. thats why your daughter needs a waterfoul permit to shoot the guns she even shoots her own limits and you can then shoot yours .. if its provincial she can not buy a licence .. so talk to the right people first

She's hunting under the Hunter Apprentice Program and that's Provincial jurisdiction.

[Sinker]

Some of the crap that comes out here blowss my mind. Even after the actual reglation is posted, you still believe you cant have another encased gun? Really?

When my son and I start hunting on his apprentice license, i'll have my gun with us, encased, and unloaded. His will be locked and loaded. Once he shoots his limit, its my turn (if we're so lucky).

Show me a regulation, law, rule....anything that says I cant have my encased gun with me.

S.

[werner.reiche]

Also, the word "Share" is pretty implicit. You aren't sharing if there is a gun for the minor and a gun for the mentor even if they are not out of the case at the same time.

That's my thoughts too. Even if one is cased, you're going to be answering a lot of questions....and if you get stopped going to/from the blind with both guns cased, even more questions. Why look for trouble?

[Useless]

I would contact the local MNRF office for the District that you will be hunting and ask to get contact information for the local conservation officer(s) who patrol the area. Ask them directly and get their answer in writing. That way you will be dealing directly with the officer who would likely be issuing a ticket. If it is not the officer you talked to then at least you would have backup showing a CO said yay or nay.