Unloading Muzzleloader?

[Ravenhunter]

Be careful leaving the powder in. I change mine day to day. Don't need my powder fizzing instead of boom when a buck steps out.

[huntaway]

The reviews on that peice of kit sure aren't very good except for the Hawkins style ML's....sounds like it's pretty much useless for the new in-lines.

Yes....rather make smoke than try to save 90 grs of powder...there's a stump below the tree stand with more than a few hunks of lead in it...

I got mine from RMC and have used it with my flinlock, caplock and inline and it has always worked for me YMMV

http://www.rmcsports.com/rmcsports_c...fm?section=420

Flames at last light are cool. LOL

HA

[karpfarmer]

Thanks for all the replies guys, good to know what everyone does. Hope everyone has a good hunt this yr!

[Tactical870]

The Feds say removal of the primer makes it safe only to transport between hunting sites, not to transport home or store. To keep powder and projectile in it is unsafe storage and liable for criminal charges with the possibility of losing the opportunity to own firearms.

Could you please post a link to where you found that?

[skeeter1]

Storing and transporting black powder firearms

As set out in regulations supporting the Firearms Act , individuals are required to store and transport all firearms, including antique firearms, safely to deter loss, theft and accidents. All firearms must be unloaded for storage and transportation.
Exception: Black powder muzzleloaders do not have to be unloaded when they are being transported between hunting si tes if their firing cap or flint has been removed

this is from the RCMP website.

[Exo200]

Still leaving the door open..... My Ml is loaded with smokeless ?? Albeit it was designed for it. When I caught the mnr it took a lot of back and forth between pages then a few phone call's to the ministry . Same aplies here. I'm still seeing a grey area that they don't address??? I am willing to be wrong have before I just want to see clear wording that no one can try to interpret anything else . Haven't seen that yet!!

[DJB]

Information came from Brenda Koenig, Provincial Enforcement Specialist, Enforcement Branch of the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources on Nov. 25, 2013.
Ontario law from the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act - http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/Download/elaws statutes 97141 e.doc
Federal Firearms Act- http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r.../FullText.html
These are the links that she sent me along with a two page letter stating the laws and explaining them. If you want it in writing, send her a question at [email protected]
I was at the local gun shop the other day and they were not aware of this as they were misinforming another hunter. If you were at hunt camp in a hunting area, you can legally leave the powder and bullet in but not if you drive home to a no hunting area.

[Tactical870]

Storing and transporting black powder firearms

As set out in regulations supporting the Firearms Act , individuals are required to store and transport all firearms, including antique firearms, safely to deter loss, theft and accidents. All firearms must be unloaded for storage and transportation.
Exception: Black powder muzzleloaders do not have to be unloaded when they are being transported between hunting si tes if their firing cap or flint has been removed

this is from the RCMP website.

The only requirement to store an antique firearm is that it is unloaded. Nothing more.

Information came from Brenda Koenig, Provincial Enforcement Specialist, Enforcement Branch of the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources on Nov. 25, 2013.
Ontario law from the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act - http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/Download/elaws statutes 97141 e.doc
Federal Firearms Act- http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r.../FullText.html
These are the links that she sent me along with a two page letter stating the laws and explaining them. If you want it in writing, send her a question at [email protected]
I was at the local gun shop the other day and they were not aware of this as they were misinforming another hunter. If you were at hunt camp in a hunting area, you can legally leave the powder and bullet in but not if you drive home to a no hunting area.

That link is rather vague and doesn't really deal with it. I'll try actually asking someone at the federal level as I do believe with a fair amount of certainty that a muzzleloader without cap, primer, or charged pan is not considered loaded. Part of that comes from the MNR saying you may transport a muzzleloader in this fashion. By saying that you may transport a muzzleloader without cap, primer or flint/priming, the MNR is essentially verifying that this is unloaded under federal law. They have no authority to override federal firearms law related to the transport of firearms. If it's considered unloaded for transport, it's unloaded for storage unless specific federal text says otherwise.

[Wahoo]

That link is rather vague and doesn't really deal with it. I'll try actually asking someone at the federal level as I do believe with a fair amount of certainty that a muzzleloader without cap, primer, or charged pan is not considered loaded. Part of that comes from the MNR saying you may transport a muzzleloader in this fashion. By saying that you may transport a muzzleloader without cap, primer or flint/priming, the MNR is essentially verifying that this is unloaded under federal law. They have no authority to override federal firearms law related to the transport of firearms. If it's considered unloaded for transport, it's unloaded for storage unless specific federal text says otherwise.

This seems pretty clear to me.

• 10. (1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if
  
  • (a) except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and
  • (b) in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.

“unloaded”, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm.

[Tactical870]

This seems pretty clear to me.

• 10. (1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if
  
  • (a) except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and
  • (b) in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.

“unloaded”, in respect of a firearm, means that any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm.

With all due respect, you missed my point. Ontario has no jurisdiction in federal firearms law. Transporting a loaded firearm is illegal under federal law. If a muzzleloader can legally be transported with powder and bullet but no ignition source, then it cannot be considered loaded.