Friday Photo on OOD, anyone else have an issue?

[Fox]

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Really ?? You know what happens when you " assu me".... The person taking the pic must have four hands to have been able to hold the rifle, finger on the trigger AND arrange the camera to take the pic.....as you "assume".......

ASSUME EVERY FIREARM IS LOADED!!!!!

You have to assume that the gun can and will go off at all times. You are the only one who can prove that it is not, that is why when someone hands you a firearm you need to verify that it is loaded and trust nobody.
The one who assumes the gun is unloaded is the one who kills their loved ones, shoots a hole in their house or car. If the gun goes off unexpectedly it needs to be pointed in a safe direction so that nothing is hurt but the dirt.

This is basic firearms safety.

[Sudsee]

With all the complaining about pictures this year it will be very soon that nobody will share anything for fear of being ridiculed. This guys did nothing illegal, at least in the eyes of the real law but apparently there are some self appointed officers out there.

[blasted_saber]

ASSUME EVERY FIREARM IS LOADED!!!!!

You have to assume that the gun can and will go off at all times. You are the only one who can prove that it is not, that is why when someone hands you a firearm you need to verify that it is loaded and trust nobody.
The one who assumes the gun is unloaded is the one who kills their loved ones, shoots a hole in their house or car. If the gun goes off unexpectedly it needs to be pointed in a safe direction so that nothing is hurt but the dirt.

This is basic firearms safety.

Assume it is loaded until it has been proven otherwise. As you are not there to actually be effected by the outcome of the situation, your assumption means squat.

If I take a photo of a rifle in my living room, do you assume its loaded and react in horror because I have a loaded gun in my house? No, you assume its unloaded because a competent individual is in control of it. This picture is no different.

[blasted_saber]

So I'll ask again



This isn't a guy that was scoping waiting for verification of sex before pulling the trigger. He had already done that.

Not a case of pointing at a flushing bird and deciding not to shoot (saying "BANG!") for whatever reason (realizing it is a hen).

The photographer saw a bull moose, verified that it wasn't a legal shot then decided on gun play to take a pic. If he decided to just photograph the moose sans scope then no problem.

How in control can one be of their firearm when they are trying to line up the sights with the moose, then a camera with the scope? It isn't easy I can tell you, and you only have 2 hands to line everything up. So how is that safe gun handling?

When i am examing the bore of a rifle I have the rifle in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Only one hand on the rifle yet I am in complete control of it. Furthermore, in the picture in question, the gun is resting on a support, providing further control.

[werner.reiche]

Assume it is loaded until it has been proven otherwise. As you are not their to actually be effected by the outcome of the situation, your assumption means squat.

If I take a photo of a rifle in my living room, do you assume its loaded and react in horror because I have a loaded gun in my house? No, you assume its unloaded because a competent individual is in control of it.

Canadian firearms training material does not have the caveat "until it has been proven otherwise".

"Assume every firearm is loaded."

That is the "A" in ACTS - if you recall ACTS from your firearms training.

I don't mind the pictures so much as OOD's double standards on pictures re: showing tags.
I am a little surprised at the number of posters who don't recall their firearms training.

I sure don't follow all the rules of firearms training - given the bush I travel through, I'd never get anywhere if I had to keep putting my rifle down to cross obstacles, fences, etc. and then checking it when I picked it up.

However, I sure won't go online and argue that those same rules don't exist or don't apply.

[skypilot]

The issue I have is what it shows to those who are not in the know.

If you bring up your shotgun on a pheasant and realize it is a hen you drop your gun and point it in a safe direction.
Once you determine that the game is not legal game you should pull your gun down from the game so as to not have any risk of anything happening.

We are taught that every gun is always loaded until you personally PROVE that it is not.

Based on this picture the assumption that I need to make is that the rifle is loaded, the safety is off and the guys finger is on the trigger. The reason I have to assume this is that without any context this is the worst case situation.

The photo in question would have been find if the guy had a bull tag, but since he did not I see a risk here for an unintentional discharge with horrible consequences.

This photo shows that using your rifle scope as binoculars is ok, which is the opposite of what we were taught in our hunters safety course. This is a photo representing the same thing as glassing a field edge with a fully loaded rifle.

This has nothing to do with any self righteous anything, this person took a really cool picture, but based on safety it was out of line and should not be represented as the right thing to do in the situation. I am sure with context this hunter was 100% safe and there was no risk of hurting the animal, but I have to assume the worst case due to what I have been taught about safety.

Give your head a shake. If you are so self righteous and almighty proper-gung ho, by the book, safety nazi, YOU point the gun at YOUR OWN HEAD per the PROVE ACTS. Get over youself Fox and if I saw you do that OR saw a photo of you doing that, I would automatically assume what? Uh, you have the right to shoot yourself un bothered by me? Or I have to copy/immitate you 'cause I know not better and your so charismatic or the photo so powerful?

Holy pettiness and over reaction Fox......

[sullyy]

I can't believe half of this conversation... wow.
I will admit, I personally pointed my gun at many, many red squirrels that I did not intend to shoot.
I'm sorry to all those I put at risk.

[blasted_saber]

Canadian firearms training material does not have the caveat "until it has been proven otherwise".

"Assume every firearm is loaded."

That is the "A" in ACTS - if you recall ACTS from your firearms training.

I don't mind the pictures so much as OOD's double standards on pictures re: showing tags.
I am a little surprised at the number of posters who don't recall their firearms training.

I sure don't follow all the rules of firearms training - given the bush I travel through, I'd never get anywhere if I had to keep putting my rifle down to cross obstacles, fences, etc. and then checking it when I picked it up.

However, I sure won't go online and argue that those same rules don't exist or don't apply.

I no longer assume once I have proven otherwise. If I were assuming a firearm was loaded, I would not be examining the bore by pointing a rifle at my eyeball.

[skeeter1]

I can't believe half of this conversation... wow.
I will admit, I personally pointed my gun at many, many red squirrels that I did not intend to shoot.
I'm sorry to all those I put at risk.

I too must apologize because I have had impure thoughts about sticking them to the tree when they sit there chattering at me

[topher]

One time I saw a bear in the Bush... I pointed my rifle at the bear.. I did not have a bear tag.... yes the gun was loaded... maybe I to am guilty of something. . Good thing the bear went the other way, cause I may of shoot it had it come closer.