Permission for Deer Retrieval

[redd foxx]

I think this issue boils down to landowner rights, which have been argued on different sites before from the point of view of how much government involvement there should be on private land. I believe that a landowner should have (and has) a right to determine who can go on his land and for what purpose and also should have a right to have someone, who wants to enter on that land for a purpose other than what the landowner openly allows, ask for permission prior to doing that. The law sets out certain criteria where the landowner has to give written or verbal notice to people not to enter or carry on with certain (or any) activities on his/her land. It also sets out certain instances where a person is automatically trespassing if they don't get permission (such as agricultural/cultivated land.

If someone decides to enter property in a manner that would be considered trespassing, then that is a choice they must make, by conscience or whatever, and suffer the possible consequences. Because the illegal act involves hunting and wildlife, one might be considered a poacher in others' minds.

I think that what the Province should consider is a law such similar to that on Manitoulin Island that requires all hunters to have written permission from a landowner on their person while hunting on private land. I think this would solve a lot of these issues and put respect for the landowners right to choose what happens on their private property into perspective.

In any event I would hope that the rights of the landowner would prevail and as long as the hunter did everything legally in there power to do what is right then that is what can be justified.

My thoughts and opinions.

[fratri]

Did God, or whatever other voices in your head tell you to feed the coyotes with deer the rest of us harvest?
And God says it's OK to Trespass as long as you are doing his will ?

Hopefully the Devil isn't going to put you and the wrong landowner face to face.

That's (to put it nicely)........one of the most silliest comments I have ever read on here.

And this one isn't any nice at all....

[GW11]

How often has it happened that an area has had it's deer season removed or boundaries changed because it is determined that deer hunting can no longer be practiced legally ? Skeeter seems to need to trespass, and has wasted 5 deer. Is that practical or what we are about?

Losing 5 deer to coyotes out of 90 or so isn't wasting much. It happens. As he said, deer don't always follow the script. Whether you think it's wrong or not, at least SK33T3R has the guts to say what many on here think and/or have already done.

If a deer is marginally hit (also happens, no matter how good you think you are) and decides to run 1000 yards or so and ends up two properties over, are you going to dither around and go knocking on doors and looking up phone numbers while the coyotes make a snack of your deer, or will you risk the possibility of trouble with a landowner to go in and get it? Yeah, yeah, "should have done that beforehand"...you may think you have all your bases covered with surrounding properties, but to think that everyone is going to have a plan for every possible outcome or scenario is crazy. It's easy enough to be critical of how others have acted under certain circumstances on an online forum, but don't be surprised to find yourself under the same circumstances and having to make similar decisions because it can happen to most of us. Stuff doesn't always go as planned in the bush. I'm sure that SK33T3R and anyone else who has spent enough time there can tell you that.

[SK33T3R]

Thanks GW11

You can get all the permissions lined up and then along comes that deer you've been dreaming about, could be a doe for that matter, and you finally get a shot. You do everything perfect, go for coffee, give it time. Finally you start trackin. Blood looks good - deer should be close. So you press on. Just another few yards - no way can that deer go that far. 500 yds and 1/2 hr later you're still shakin your head. That deer has to be on fumes. You hear coyotes off in the distance - a reminder that something else wants that deer too! you press on. The good shot you made has you talking to yourself. The deer crosses the road and goes down into a ravine and then you realize the deer is climbing out of the ravine - still bleeding ???WTF is goin on here. In your mind the deer is just ahead. Stopping and going back to the truck is an option BUT you may not even know how to get back to that exact spot to take up the trail later. You know you're off your permissions property what to do?

If any of you guys have never been in this situation - give it time - you will be! The more you hunt the sooner it will happen.
I have a good notion that those arguing with me are either the best hunters/best shots in the world or they're still bragging about the only one they ever got. There are lots of armchair - TV watching - magazine readers who like nothing better then bashing because they're experts now! ME? I no expert! I'm still learning. But the lessons I learned up till now governs the way I will behave in the future.

So mark my words your lessons are comin!

this is a grim reminder of what politically correct gets you
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[Angus]

Thanks GW11

You can get all the permissions lined up and then along comes that deer you've been dreaming about, could be a doe for that matter, and you finally get a shot. You do everything perfect, go for coffee, give it time. Finally you start trackin. Blood looks good - deer should be close. So you press on. Just another few yards - no way can that deer go that far. 500 yds and 1/2 hr later you're still shakin your head. That deer has to be on fumes. You hear coyotes off in the distance - a reminder that something else wants that deer too! you press on. The good shot you made has you talking to yourself. The deer crosses the road and goes down into a ravine and then you realize the deer is climbing out of the ravine - still bleeding ???WTF is goin on here. In your mind the deer is just ahead. Stopping and going back to the truck is an option BUT you may not even know how to get back to that exact spot to take up the trail later. You know you're off your permissions property what to do?

If any of you guys have never been in this situation - give it time - you will be! The more you hunt the sooner it will happen.
I have a good notion that those arguing with me are either the best hunters/best shots in the world or they're still bragging about the only one they ever got. There are lots of armchair - TV watching - magazine readers who like nothing better then bashing because they're experts now! ME? I no expert! I'm still learning. But the lessons I learned up till now governs the way I will behave in the future.

So mark my words your lessons are comin!

this is a grim reminder of what politically correct gets you
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I am sure the CO's or police are going to love your stories, and I do hope some day you are talking to them. But in the interest of maybe getting you out of trouble when that day comes , here is a ploy that might work for you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SLifea3NHQ

[SK33T3R]

I am sure the CO's or police are going to love your stories, and I do hope some day you are talking to them. But in the interest of maybe getting you out of trouble when that day comes , here is a ploy that might work for you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SLifea3NHQ

GEESH WHY ALL THE ILL WILL TOWARDS ME!

What did I ever do to you? Do I know you? Did I knock you on your butt playing hockey? Have I struck you out playin ball. Did I get the big deer that you were trying for? Am I the father to one of your children?

You're hoping I get caught?

Well Angus when I do I will phone the nut house directly and you'll be the first one to know.

Send me a PM after you check in to the asylum and do include your room and phone#.

[trimmer21]

I am sure the CO's or police are going to love your stories, and I do hope some day you are talking to them. But in the interest of maybe getting you out of trouble when that day comes , here is a ploy that might work for you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SLifea3NHQ

ROFLMAO!! I had stopped a drunk driver one night,who couldn't even roll down the window. When I opened the door,she rolled right off the front seat and landed on the dirt at my feet. I asked "What do you think you're doing,lady?" What does she say--"The devil made me do it,honey". God bless Flip Wilson.

[Gilroy]

"GEESH WHY ALL THE ILL WILL TOWARDS ME"


Well SK33t3R

You managed to slag off landowners as being greedy BUT you dont really need them as you have all kinds of permission.Except the lands you dont have permission to hunt on and if this happens you sneak in and take the deer out everybody else be dammed.

Then if you get CAUGHT your going to be a STAND UP GUY and take your lumps with the fine or other penalty.

Have I got it right so far.Good.

OK here is some more free legal advice.Hunt in areas where you have at least a country mile in all directions.

Try and make kill shots and if none of the two work out hang up you guns and help preserve our deer herd in Ontario.

[fishermccann]

As a landowner , I say " Do unto others as....."

[werner.reiche]

As a landowner , I say " Do unto others as....."

Back in the old days everyone trespassed on their neighbours, and everyone pretended that they didn't know the others trespassed. Sort of like Baptists running into each other at the liquor store.