Cabelas in Barrie selling traps to anyone!

[trimmer21]

Fenelon, I agree with you! However in the most recent years, I have noticed a lot of places not asking for trapping licence number, or advising it is illegal to possess.

27. (1) A person shall not possess a body-gripping trap unless the person,
(a) is lawfully entitled to use the trap;
(b) was lawfully entitled to use the trap within the five years preceding the date on which the person was found to be in possession of the body-gripping trap;
(c) engages in activities related to the manufacture, repair, sale, transportation or storage of the traps or the conduct of research with respect to those traps;
(d) is a collector of traps and the trap is rendered incapable of being used for trapping; or
(e) possesses the traps for educational purposes in the course of employment by an educational institution or government. O. Reg. 667/98, s. 27 (1).
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to traps in a museum or public display if most of the funding for the museum or display comes from a government in Canada. O. Reg. 667/98, s. 27 (2).

“body-gripping trap” means a device designed to capture or kill an animal by seizing and holding it by a part of its body, and includes a spring trap, steel trap, gin, deadfall, snare or leghold trap but does not include a device designed to capture or kill a mouse or rat;

Where did you find this? My current copy of the FWCA has Sect 27 as covering Birds of Prey.

[seabast]

Lets start rallying the liberals again for the next election......bring back the gun registry........ but we won't rest until we get all traps, fishing poles, lures and hunting knives included!!!!!

This site is unreal!!!! Bunch of libtards!!

With comment like that you must be a poacher!!!! lol....

[Bluebulldog]

Just came back from Cabelas in Barrie, and was shocked to see traps being sold to anyone. Complete snares, Ram power snares, legholds, body-grippers. No request for trapper's licence validation, or farmer's OMAFRA card. These people would immediately be in violation of section 24 of the OFWA, the second they took possession of the traps at the cashier desk. There's no notice posted on the shelves, and they don't notify the purchasers that they are about to commit an offence. The trapping industry is already under enough public scrutiny as it is, without having a bunch of untrained people, potentially setting lethal equipment in urban areas. Trappers will no doubt get the black eye when someone's cat or dog gets killed in the city. I have visions of some idiot setting 220s in their downtown backyard, or snares in the local woodlot. Maybe I'll give MNR a call. The last time I checked the regs, it is an offence to even be in possession of an operable trap, unless you are a licenced trapper, a farmer on their property, or someone who's held a trapping licence in the last 5 year period.
Can anyone else comment on this?

Dave

With respect there Dave, did you even speak to someone in the store? Or send a email / letter to Cabelas Canada?

Seems to me, that that should have been your first step, before coming on here full of rightous indignation, and threatening to "call the MNR".

Cabelas Canada is a US owned subsidiary. They may have a few gaffs with respect to retailing all their product lines and being in the know on all FWCA regs. They know they can import them, they probably assumed that anyone purchasing same would be in the know.

Be a part of the solution, not a very vocal complainer.

[topher]

I'm going to boycott cabelas until this unjustice is corrected..
Shame shame on them for making a buck..
This is about as pathetic as the package that had a note written in it... start a crusade about something that matters..
Kinda like Canadian tire selling snare wire with to big if a gauge.. oh and in areas where you can't legal use it...

[Bluebulldog]

I'm going to boycott cabelas until this unjustice is corrected..
Shame shame on them for making a buck..
This is about as pathetic as the package that had a note written in it... start a crusade about something that matters..
Kinda like Canadian tire selling snare wire with to big if a gauge.. oh and in areas where you can't legal use it...

Good lord! You're right Topher! I saw some in my local CT the other day.......and we're well South of the French and Mattawa Rivers......

[topher]

However.. now I know where to get traps.. thanx for the info!
Do they come with instructions for use?

[Fenelon]

I spoke to the employee who is in charge of the trapping section, and voiced my concerns to him about the general public having access to restricted equipment. His only response was that Cabelas had thoroughly checked this out before stocking, so he was sure it was totally OK. I told him that it definately is not OK to be allowing the general public to purchase the traps, informed him of the section under the FWCA, and let him know what the purchase policy is at every Ontario trap supply retailer. Spoke to him for a good 15mins on the matter and he said it had all been researched. I was not the first trapper to approach him on this, so he had already heard the concerns from other customers who had come into the store. I don't think you guys that don't trap understand the implications of this occurring. Offence aside, and the fact some some unknowing person has not been informed that they are breaking the law, the damage that will occur from this will have a big negative impact on all trappers, and the fur industry. It's already under total 24/7 scrutiny from the general public, and esp. anti groups. Even one single negative incident does major damage, at a time when major efforts have been made to improve things (AIHTS, trap certification and testing program, new regs under the FWCA, upgraded course instructor training, new trap research and certification of "pet friendly" equipment, etc., etc.). Imagine the impact of some untrained/unlicenced person buying lethal kill traps at Cabelas, and setting them in their backyard beside your house. Guess who gets the black eye when the first dog or cat is dead in a snare, or a 220. Imagine it's your own pet. Then it goes viral on the social media. Something the trapping industry definately does not need. Time to Let MNR and OFMF Ontario Fur Managers Federation handle this.

[topher]

Imagine some untrained/unlicenced person buying lethal kill traps at Cabelas, and setting them in their backyard beside your house.

Exactly.why I want some traps.. these d4mn coyote are driving me bonkers.. to the point where it's effecting my sleep.

[trimmer21]

I spoke to the employee who is in charge of the trapping section, and voiced my concerns to him about the general public having access to restricted equipment. His only response was that Cabelas had thoroughly checked this out before stocking, so he was sure it was totally OK. I told him that it definately is not OK to be allowing the general public to purchase the traps, informed him of the section under the FWCA, and let him know what the purchase policy is at every Ontario trap supply retailer. Spoke to him for a good 15mins on the matter and he said it had all been researched. I was not the first trapper to approach him on this, so he had already heard the concerns from other customers who had come into the store. I don't think you guys that don't trap understand the implications of this occurring. Offence aside, and the fact some some unknowing person has not been informed that they are breaking the law, the damage that will occur from this will have a big negative impact on all trappers, and the fur industry. It's already under total 24/7 scrutiny from the general public, and esp. anti groups. Even one single negative incident does major damage, at a time when major efforts have been made to improve things (AIHTS, trap certification and testing program, new regs under the FWCA, upgraded course instructor training, new trap research and certification of "pet friendly" equipment, etc., etc.). Imagine the impact of some untrained/unlicenced person buying lethal kill traps at Cabelas, and setting them in their backyard beside your house. Guess who gets the black eye when the first dog or cat is dead in a snare, or a 220. Imagine it's your own pet. Then it goes viral on the social media. Something the trapping industry definately does not need. Time to Let MNR and OFMF Ontario Fur Managers Federation handle this.

Big companies,like Cabelas,don't make regulatory mistakes with the merchandise they sell. That's why they pay three floors of corporate lawyers to check this stuff out to be sure everything that they do is legal and above board. I'm inclined to agree with the sales staffer. I'm not entirely convinced that the laws cited here are still in force because I can't find,anywhere,in the "new" FWCA or any Ontario regulations,that it states only licensed individuals may be in possession of traps or that it's an offence to sell that equipment.

[Numpty]

OK, so you saw something wrong, and left it with the sales associate who was working in that section? Really? Interesting that you omitted that entire piece from your original post.

Sorry if it seems like I'm flaming you pal. But if this is really such an issue with you, and your concern is genuine, then written communication to Cabelas ( as I already demonstrated) is the best course of action. You then have a traceable piece of communication that can be followed up on. You spoke to the sales associate in the store? That was your solution? With respect, if there's something wrong with how a place conducts their business whether it be a restaurant, home improvement store, or an outdoors supplier, you DO NOT DEAL WITH THE SALES STAFF. All they can do is nod their heads. Ever hear of asking for the manager? At the outcome of the conversation with the manager, you then let them know you'll be following up with a written communication, and copying head office.

Either this is a bona-fide concern for you, or it isn't. Either treat it as such, or quit complaining.

"Time to let MNR and OFMF handle this".......right, because you already talked to the guy whos basic function is to hand you the product, and get you out the door.....because he's the guy that can resolve it.

You wrote a letter to cabelas based on incomplete third party information and now you're flaming the OP because he did not provide you with the full story? You should get all your facts straight before accusing cabelas of breaking the law. That's on you. Where does it say Cabelas can't sell traps? What a person does with the traps after being purchased is on them. Stop blaming the retailer without any concrete evidence of wrongdoing.