Shooting a coyote while wild turkey hunting

[greatwhite]

Looking through this thread I would say many don't agree just as well. Not sure how old you think I am but obvisously much more mature then you are.

So I am guessing you think most of the Trappers on here don't know their stuff??? I think the trappers and some of the hunters on here are very knowledgeable. I'm guessing you disagree.

By the way I have been around enough probably more then you will ever know.

Maybe if you are around and grow a little older and mature , your outlook perhaps may change.

Myself and many others , whole heartedly agree with Fenelons post and Krakadawns response.

[greatwhite]

Maybe next time you should read my comment I wasn't insulting anyone but the other fella was.

Just like you decided to suddenly insult me.

Maybe if you are around and grow a little older and mature , your outlook perhaps may change.

Myself and many others , whole heartedly agree with Fenelons post and Krakadawns response.

[krakadawn]

Your tagging an large number of fellas including Trappers and Guides on here with that comment. Your friend I'm guessing is the only expert in the country.

GW, not tagging either of those two groups at all. I imagine that most of them understand this issue quite well. My friend is not the 'only expert' as you say but one who understands the world he walks in.

Fenelon, Jaycee and I have said similar things....it's more about how you do things that counts. How often do we see the question...'Is a 22 good enough for....." I don't think anyone has said to not deal with nuisance coyotes or protect one's livestock in those situations but to shoot several coyotes now and leave them there to waste is not acceptable to us and to those who brag about it, I find fault in those statements.

[greatwhite]

If you have ever read any past threads on the questions of what to do with a Pelt I have always said to the OP's to skin it and tack it up in your garage, not once have I ever said to do something wrong. Jaycee decided that he would like to falsely accuse me of something very rudely guessing because he is an old disgruntled person and think he is 100% perfect.

GW, not tagging either of those two groups at all. I imagine that most of them understand this issue quite well. My friend is not the 'only expert' as you say but one who understands the world he walks in.

Fenelon, Jaycee and I have said similar things....it's more about how you do things that counts. How often do we see the question...'Is a 22 good enough for....." I don't think anyone has said to not deal with nuisance coyotes or protect one's livestock in those situations but to shoot several coyotes now and leave them there to waste is not acceptable to us and to those who brag about it, I find fault in those statements.

[greatwhite]

It was implied by Krakadawn

Fenelon, Jaycee and I have said similar things....it's more about how you do things that counts. How often do we see the question...'Is a 22 good enough for....." I don't think anyone has said to not deal with nuisance coyotes or protect one's livestock in those situations but to shoot several coyotes now and leave them there to waste is not acceptable to us and to those who brag about it, I find fault in those statements.

[krakadawn]

GW, I have implied nothing of the sort, I understand you have supported the processing of pelts which means one must have an understanding of when there is value to them.

I also did not imply you supported the SSS approach, that was said by others. You can easily reread the thread to see who that was. Your issue seems to be more so with someone else....perhaps direct responses to him.

[greatwhite]

I have said in the past that if shooting a Yote why not pelt it (assuming it has no mange) instead of wasting it. However in the case of protecting livestock I also see nothing wrong with shooting Yotes. Myself I do not specifically target them, however that said the land owners I know would like me to shoot them if I see them. These are dairy farmers and they have a concern with their livestock.

GW, I have implied nothing of the sort, I understand you have supported the processing of pelts which means one must have an understanding of when there is value to them.

I also did not imply you supported the SSS approach, that was said by others. You can easily reread the thread to see who that was. Your issue seems to be more so with someone else....perhaps direct responses to him.

[M_P]

I have always had an aversion to shooting a coyote during the spring due to the fact that it may result in orphaned pups but two of the farms that I hunt I have been asked by the landowner to specifically take any coyotes that we are able to. Both have experienced very bold coyotes coming right up to the barn yard during the night and have lost livestock. The beef farmer has donkeys in with his cattle and while they do a good job of keeping canine predators at bay he has lost a calf this spring. On those farms we will honor the landowner's request and take a coyote if able. My son did so this past Saturday while we were turkey hunting, a young female, no teats so no starving pups. Any other land we hunt the yotes get a pass.

[krakadawn]

I have said in the past that if shooting a Yote why not pelt it (assuming it has no mange) instead of wasting it. However in the case of protecting livestock I also see nothing wrong with shooting Yotes. Myself I do not specifically target them, however that said the land owners I know would like me to shoot them if I see them. These are dairy farmers and they have a concern with their livestock.

GW, I absolutely understand that, I live in a rural farming area. My comments go back to the original essence of this thread which is shooting coyotes when turkey hunting.
I think the other underpinning notion here is about the 'ethics' that we should develop as hunters.
Guides are not immune to this either. I'm sure you read about an individual who guides for turkey/deer/ducks just south of Peterborough. He was found guilty of numerous charges last fall but still continues to advertise.

It's all about how we do.....what we do.

[rick_iles]

I have always had an aversion to shooting a coyote during the spring due to the fact that it may result in orphaned pups but two of the farms that I hunt I have been asked by the landowner to specifically take any coyotes that we are able to. Both have experienced very bold coyotes coming right up to the barn yard during the night and have lost livestock. The beef farmer has donkeys in with his cattle and while they do a good job of keeping canine predators at bay he has lost a calf this spring. On those farms we will honor the landowner's request and take a coyote if able. My son did so this past Saturday while we were turkey hunting, a young female, no teats so no starving pups. Any other land we hunt the yotes get a pass.

This is my situation exactly ! If the landowner says you can hunt here, as long as you take any coyotes you see, then I guess you honour his wishes, or look for another hunting area....