Poor Woman - she didn't have to die

[JoePa]

This is what can happen when they take away your right to defend yourself - http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/10...or-gun-permit/

[fratri]

Its too bad the law couldn't keep him away. Condolences to the family, such a tragedy...
It's too bad a turd like that was aloud so much freedom.

[Pat32rf]

Its too bad the law couldn't keep him away. Condolences to the family, such a tragedy...
It's too bad a turd like that was aloud so much freedom.

What makes you think he would have obeyed any law? Only the victims are law abiding......

[fratri]

I think that was my point....

What makes you think he would have obeyed any law? Only the victims are law abiding......

[yellow dog]

So fortunate we do not live in the U.S

[trimmer21]

So fortunate we do not live in the U.S

I don't quite get what you mean,YD. It doesn't matter which side of the border we live on. Court Restraining Orders are just as useless here as they are there,although,they still establish a paper trail for reasonable and probable grounds to fear for one's life as a defense for shooting the SOB.

[yellow dog]

I cannot imagine living in a country where everyone can obtain a handgun gun to defend themselves even the mentally ill. Yes the SOB should be put away but putting another gun in someones hand will not solve the problem. She may have defended herself or he could of taken it from her and shot her with it. Another gun on the street if he wasn't captured. I just watched a program on how easy it is to obtain a gun in the U.S. It's mind blowing how easy it is and the hands they end up in.

I understand where you are coming from trimmer21 but I am looking beyond that ,the big picture. It is very unfortunate that the Court Restraining Order was not enforced in this case and person in charge should be investigated. If it is a matter of not enough officers on the street enforcing the law then hire more. If the mindset is having more citizens with guns to protect themselves and less officers then that is a recipe for disaster.

[JoePa]

YD - everyone that buys a gun must go through a background check so if you ever committed a felony or have a record of mental illness you won't be able to get one - sure there are cases were someone who isn't dealing with a full deck ends up with a handgun but do you restrict everyone because this happens once in while - and as far as handguns - a nut could just as well get a hunting rifle and commit a crime

As far as a restraining order - all the criminal has to do is break it one time - the time he decides to kill the person who he is after - you can't do anything until that happens and then it is too late

Here is Pa. I can go over to Cabela's and purchase any handgun or rifle but before I leave the store with it I had to fill out a form and it is entered into the computer for a background check - if there is a problem then I don't get the gun - I can apply for a right to carry with the sheriff's office and it will take about 2 weeks for an approval - in fact if you fill out the form with wrong information you can get arrested right there - what happened in NJ wouldn't happen here

The right to defend yourself is a God given right that any free person should have - yes there are times bad things can happen but that is the price you pay for this right - freedom isn't always free - it has a price -

[yellow dog]

YD - everyone that buys a gun must go through a background check so if you ever committed a felony or have a record of mental illness you won't be able to get one - sure there are cases were someone who isn't dealing with a full deck ends up with a handgun but do you restrict everyone because this happens once in while - and as far as handguns - a nut could just as well get a hunting rifle and commit a crime

As far as a restraining order - all the criminal has to do is break it one time - the time he decides to kill the person who he is after - you can't do anything until that happens and then it is too late

Here is Pa. I can go over to Cabela's and purchase any handgun or rifle but before I leave the store with it I had to fill out a form and it is entered into the computer for a background check - if there is a problem then I don't get the gun - I can apply for a right to carry with the sheriff's office and it will take about 2 weeks for an approval - in fact if you fill out the form with wrong information you can get arrested right there - what happened in NJ wouldn't happen here

The right to defend yourself is a God given right that any free person should have - yes there are times bad things can happen but that is the price you pay for this right - freedom isn't always free - it has a price -

The program I saw based on the City of Philadelphia with the highest crime rate showed all the loop holes people are using to obtain a gun illegally and killing. It showed people without a mental disorder or criminal record purchasing guns and then reselling them on the streets for profit. These are not SOME cases but most cases. One mother new of 30 young men who were shot by illegal guns. Whole entire neighborhoods have been devastated for years by the illegal gun trade.

Your description of how it works in theory and the TV program I watched showed actual proof it doesn't work. I don't buy the right to defend yourself is a God given right. If a city or community or country truly cares about people and a system is in place to take care of them mind, body and spirit then we would not be having this conversation. God is about peace and love and yes from time to time we need to defend ourselves. When an entire city such as Philadelphia is completely broken at so many levels more guns is not the answer.

[trimmer21]

The program I saw based on the City of Philadelphia with the highest crime rate showed all the loop holes people are using to obtain a gun illegally and killing. It showed people without a mental disorder or criminal record purchasing guns and then reselling them on the streets for profit. These are not SOME cases but most cases. One mother new of 30 young men who were shot by illegal guns. Whole entire neighborhoods have been devastated for years by the illegal gun trade.

Your description of how it works in theory and the TV program I watched showed actual proof it doesn't work. I don't buy the right to defend yourself is a God given right. If a city or community or country truly cares about people and a system is in place to take care of them mind, body and spirit then we would not be having this conversation. God is about peace and love and yes from time to time we need to defend ourselves. When an entire city such as Philadelphia is completely broken at so many levels more guns is not the answer.

In a perfect world as you describe,no one could argue with you,BUT, this is NOT a perfect world. Bad things happen to good people by bad people. I believe that you're absolutely 100% wrong that we have no God given right to protect ourselves and,by extension,our families from those who would deliberately bring harm and death to us. If you were even remotely correct,how would you handle terrorists that have avowed to kill us all? Would you decide it would be better to simply have a conversation with them and tell them that they musn't do that? What would be your solution to the situation this lady and millions of others face every day? You appear to me to be a reasonably intelligent person,so,I won't insult your intellect with the assumption that you think they should sit back and hope for the best. That would NEVER happen if someone wanted to stay alive.