Wow, it is about money

[Species8472]

Maybe go back to university for 5 years and make a wiser choice, become a teacher, because it seems so easy.

I have a hard enough time dealing with my own kids. No way in hell would I ever do that - I'd end up in prison. When I first started my company the first few years were lean so I taught in the engineering program at Humber to make a few extra bucks - but as soon as I had enough business I got the hell out of Dodge.

[topher]

Who made that career choice..... oh ya , you did. 3 years in school or 3 years post secondary? Maybe go back to university for 5 years and make a wiser choice, become a teacher, because it seems so easy.

Thing is I'm not complaining. I enjoy my job. I go out and don't get thanked for coming to work. I do it it cause I enjoy it. Teachers do it for the money. All they want us more.. more.. more...
My post want to be an o with is me thread, it was more to show that they are unrealistic and out of touch with society.

[topher]

School buses now are controlled by "zones". If your school is within a zone that has hazardous conditions they shut them down..

Not true. Yorkregion is all of Yorkregion . . Simcoe has zones.

[JBen]

I do not feel sorry for the picture you paint for the current situation the teachers are in because sooner or later this was going to happen. For many years the teachers were catered to and got everything handed to them by the Liberals. Sooner or later it was going to bite them in the arse and it will and has.

Be thank ful your wife has a job.

Nor I, not really.
Waterrat what you fail to realize is that Teachers or their Unions have brought this on themselves. Period, end of story. If its about class size and if the prove needs to increase class size from 21 to X because they need to save money. Well ask the very simple questions.

Do they actually need to reduce spending, save money?
Answer: YES!!!

Why do they need to
Answer: Because they have blown billions, spent billions, gone on hiring sprees (prior to 2010) and handed out lucrative raises and more. And who never said boo about that?

Who was more than happy to accept the love? Who has campaigned for them? Worked oh so hard to see them elected time and time and time again despite plain as day evidence and more? Despite what should have been obvious to anyone willing to think about "tomorrow"….

Answers: Teachers and their Unions

And don't you think it's past time the working stiffs of Ontario not keep paying for it? Don't you think its past time other ministries not keep paying the price? Do you think Healthcare is any less important?
Shall we rob Peter (Healthcare) to pay Pual (Teachers/education) instead?

Shall we instead lay off another 1,000 nurses as happened just a few weeks ago, so that..
Maybe we should lay off more COs, or cut the MNRs budget another 5% instead?

Who made that career choice..... oh ya , you did. 3 years in school or 3 years post secondary? Maybe go back to university for 5 years and make a wiser choice, become a teacher, because it seems so easy.

G you know I like you but "attitude" on that topic speaks volumes. People a lot smarter than you have weighed and measured it and its well established. Most (relatively speaking) in PS
Earn more
Have better benefits
Have Pensions

You really make me "ill" sometimes. Aren't you the one with a social conscious?

I know a Parole Officer. She's a liberal believes in many things.
Despite being a "Public Servant" and she loathes Unions and co-workers much like yourself who don't understand just how privileged and "entitled" they are. She understands its taxpayers who don't have it anywhere near as good in the "real world"…

Between job security, blah blah blah blah blah…….

"People" have little control over things and just because you lucked out,…..
Id bet a lot of money I work with people who
1) Dont earn as much as you did in your final years
2) Unlike you won't retire in their early 50s. They might work well into their 60s
3) Unlike you have been laid off once or twice, and always face that prospect whenever things go down
4) Spent far more time in University than you did.

Its the utter lack of reality that you and many in PS don't have that

Earns the disdain and more.

Cause and effect.

And imo, as things get worse in coming years as many who aren't so fortunate who don't have enough saved, who don't have pensions, who are getting reamed working hard so "you" don't have to. And these are statistical facts.

The problems and backlash are going to be severe.

You often or have gone on "social crusades" with respect to the US and the "have and have nots"

Statistical Fact G
Your a have and "privileged"
the people you often put down are have nots.

There are in fact becoming two classes here in Ontario
Many in PS and the peons that pay for everything and can't save for their own retirements.

Fast forward 5 to 15 years.
I know you've already said you don't care……

PS my Parole Officer friend?
Their contract is up soonish.
Their Union wants raises
The prov is saying we want to do away with paying for benefits (drug plans) once you retire.

She gets it. And is quite ok if thats lost and doesn't "really" mind if theres no raise. And she doesn't agree that just because she's worked X years and shown up for work She shouldn't get a raise (like teachers do to)…

Like the real world, she think she should pay for it herself because currently
She's paid better than most
She has job security and its highly unlikely she'll ever lose her job
Has great benefits
And has a Pension and will be able to pay for it herself

Unlike so very very very many.

[trimmer21]

I think society is getting over pussified.

Right on! Everybody seems to want everything for no effort and ready to blame others for their own shortcomings. Mrs. T found my old Grade 8 grad picture the other day and guess what? There were 40 kids in that picture. That prompted me to find my high school grad photos and there were forty of us in that one,too. Teachers did a fantastic job back then and the sky didn't fall.so,why all the pissin' and moanin',now?

[Oddmott]

Right on! Everybody seems to want everything for no effort and ready to blame others for their own shortcomings. Mrs. T found my old Grade 8 grad picture the other day and guess what? There were 40 kids in that picture. That prompted me to find my high school grad photos and there were forty of us in that one,too. Teachers did a fantastic job back then and the sky didn't fall.so,why all the pissin' and moanin',now?

Well, to be fair Trimmer, in that regard the old style of teaching was vastly different than today's style. And 30-40 kids in a class (hell, some classes my dad was in had SIXTY kids) was do-able.

You learned the rules by rote. Math was math was math and there was just the one (correct, detailed and accurate) way to do it. English had rules, that one was expected to master in order to be able to communicate properly. Geography, History, etc were all based on fact and you had to actually pay attention in order to past content oriented quizzes and tests.

But somewhere down the line - and i'm not sure if teachers or parents were to blame, because it was before (or maybe at) my time - the over pussification movement, the every-kid-must-be-a-special-snowflake-buoyed-aloft-by-naught-but-exaggerated-positivity-and-support movement took over.

With those new social demands/expectations... i can't see any way a teacher can be expected to deal with 30+.

[fishermccann]

If you think others have it better , get trained-schooled and go get that other job , nothing holding you back but yourself. The PS has jobs open every day, somewhere. The grass is always greener,........ nada, nada, nada.

[bushman]

Hip hip hooray Jben, move to the front of the class, no pun intended. Very nicely written and bang on the money. Unfortunately their are some that never stop to think, not even for a few quick seconds, how lucky they are and how good they have it compared to a lot of people. It's always , all about them, how hard they work, how hard their job is, more raises, job security, pensions, early retirement, blah, blah , blah. They don't care about the real world, only their own best interests. And I am not painting them all with the same brush. Some do still have morals, ethics , values and commitment to their " chosen " profession, kudos to them. To the ones that don't, get out, leave, find another job with all of your perks, salaries and entitlements. Good luck with that one, lmao. Other wise, suck it up, dry away the alligator tears, and stop the wining, before you have zero sympathy, which is getting closer every day, from the public at large.

[terrym]

The fact that for the PS unions to get "better" compensation and less work load means that Wynne will have to take that money from another person. That person quite often can't afford anywhere near the present lifestyle nor dream of retiring with pay. So, look some single mom in the eye and tell her that little Suzie can't play soccer anymore because Mommy has to be taxed even more. Her income tax is going up, the price of Hydro is doubling, there is a gas tax coming that will make it prohibitive to drive except for work and emergencies. The Carbon Tax will raise prices on absolutely every consumable. So this mom has no choice but downsize the families consumption. Multiply that mom by hundreds of thousands and the economy shrinks due to less consumption. People get laid off and tax revenues reduce again yet the PS feel they need to throw gasoline on this burning economic fire by demanding increases to already above average wages and benefits. Wynne feels this is all good. The debt keeps rising and this Mom's kid will now grow up in a world where they have to lay off nurses and many other essential services. To end this little story/lesson on economics 101, anybody with a brain knows you can't borrow more money to pay debts. The unavoidable end to that is catastrophic take a look at Greece. They have been kicking the can down the road, refused to live within their means, elected a Socialist government who promised the moon ( Like Wynne who claimed she didn't need to cut PS jobs ) and wow, they are crumbling now. We need to add Greek as a third official language in Ontario.

[yellow dog]

Who made that career choice..... oh ya , you did. 3 years in school or 3 years post secondary? Maybe go back to university for 5 years and make a wiser choice, become a teacher, because it seems so easy.

I know many young people that would of been excellent teachers including my own children. But because they had teachers in high school pushing the Liberal agenda on them it soured many of the students. My oldest son said it was sickening how often teachers in the classroom would sneak this Liberal garbage in thinking no one would notice. He later attended the University of Ottawa where it became worse and had to switch universities.

We can all look back in our past and remember teachers that had made an impact on our lives 2 or 3 possibly. But we also can remember the many who were drunks, pot heads, air heads, angry, idiots etc. that had the best pension plan.