Bill C-231

[trimmer21]

You do know there are still copies of the full registry, Right?

It really doesn't matter if some twit kept a copy,GW,because it's illegal to use it for anything. It's yesterday's news,old useless data. I don't understand why it's such a big deal that useless data is causing such childish temper tantrums other than for political revenge and some sort of retribution for making the Liberal s look like a bunch of whack job hairpins.........and that shoe really fits.

[mosquito]

"Full" would be a gross exaggeration GW..the data is useless now, it's outdated/incomplete for what it was gathered for, so it's would serve nobody's purpose.

Like I said before, you'd have better info of who owns what from the Ammo book/log at Canadian tire.

If C-231 was to be successful it could be atleast 50 to possibly 90% unchanged and Bill FGO (I'll leave the acronym to your imagination) would take care of that:

Article: 1.1
All holders of valid PAL and POL license must contact their local firearms officer or online confirm the firearms listed and update sold or purchased firearms in the registry records.

Article 1.2
Failure to complete the action defined in 1.1 by April 1, 2016 will result in a warning and 30 days notice before revocation of the PAL or POL and the confiscation of any firearms found during the inspection of associated residences and possible criminal charges.

Article 1.3
All Semi-automatic firearms (rimfire, centerfire and shotgun) will be reclassified blah blah.... failure to register as such will result in criminal charges.

Article 1.4
Failure to complete the action defined in 1.2 by July 1, 2016 will result in a warning and 30 days notice before revocation of the PAL or POL and the confiscation of any firearms found during the inspection of associated residences. Failure to qualify for a RPAL will allow for a 30 days transfer opportunity to a qualified RPAL possessor or seizure of illegally held firearms with criminal charges.


Bing... one login page, one confirmation page, one delete page, one add page, one reclassification page with your PAL/RPAL status.... BINGO up to date.




As per the Australian model of short notice and quick destruction.

"The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a tightly restrictive system of licensing and ownership controls.

Some discussion of measures to allow owners to undertake modifications to reduce the capacity of magazine-fed shotguns ("crimping") occurred, but the government refused to permit this.


The buyback purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 firearms, mostly semi-automatic .22 rimfires, semi-automatic shotguns and pump-action shotguns. Only Victoria provided a breakdown of types destroyed, and in that state less than 3% were military style semi-automatic rifles."

[greatwhite]

Trimmer believe me Data is always valuable which is why the NDP, Libs want it.

It really doesn't matter if some twit kept a copy,GW,because it's illegal to use it for anything. It's yesterday's news,old useless data. I don't understand why it's such a big deal that useless data is causing such childish temper tantrums other than for political revenge and some sort of retribution for making the Liberal s look like a bunch of whack job hairpins.........and that shoe really fits.

[MikePal]

Article: 1.1
All holders of valid PAL and POL license must contact their local firearms officer or online confirm the firearms listed and update sold or purchased firearms in the registry records.

What registry records ? They don't exist in accordance with Federal law....they can't just magically re-appear.

[mosquito]

What registry records ? They don't exist in accordance with Federal law....they can't just magically re-appear.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle24965632/

Federal information commissioner Suzanne Legault is seeking a court order to preserve any remaining records from the now-defunct long gun registry, - June 15/2015

They have the PAL/POL list, we see the RCMP in Alberta knowing they got all the firearms at particular residences during the flood, Quebec and it's proclamation to create its own registry, etc.

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loca...g-gun-registry


It would appear that the RCMP probably has a large portion of the data in it's own databases due to requests for information and we can see Legault (and we can assume others) using freedom of information requests to obtain data. Given my experience with rebuilding databases and if there is as much as I would suspect in local and RCMP database I would say using logs and extracts from cooperative sources I would estimate a 2 to 4 month project to rebuild it into a form and with a parallel team working on GUI and mailings...November to April 1.... about right actually to start.

As for the data integrity, if the RCMP made requests to be updated on firearm owners and their firearms in some regions (like it looks like in Alberta), updates when there are renewals etc.... I see no problem technically saying 50% of the data is out there in various forms to grab, possibly alot more but the format and content may be an issue, parsing data strings can be problematic.

[MikePal]

Federal information commissioner Suzanne Legault is seeking a court order to preserve any remaining records from the now-defunct long gun registry, - June 15/2015

All the (legal) records were destroyed by the RCMP except for Que's....under Federal law.....just because GW has a copy hidden under his mattress, the data can never be revived legally.

The Mounties did destroy the records in late October 2012 — following further pressure from the Privy Council Office, the bureaucracy that supports the prime minister and cabinet.

The RCMP may get their fingers slapped....but the data is destroyed. No resurrecting it.

[mosquito]

All the (legal) records were destroyed by the RCMP except for Que's....under Federal law.....just because GW has a copy hidden under his mattress, the data can never be revived legally.



The RCMP may get their fingers slapped....but the data is destroyed. No resurrecting it.

Yes, we can assume it was, BUT in various databases there will be requests for information, local updates etc. and it will have names, addresses, PAL/POL infor., likely possessed firearms list and descriptions.... trust me, I have had to rebuild databases and by parsing the data transmitted in log files, transactions recorded on local databases etc. there is still a large portion of it readily available, hence Legaults actions to preserve what ever remains. Makes me wonder how much she alone has due to her freedom of information requests.

Piecing together 3 or 4 or more databases to join the data into one database is a pain in the a** but doable.

Heck, their goal might not even be to get the whole database, they might just want the semi and pump owners and a few RCMP requests and that data being recorded and attached to individuals in regional or local databases... easy!

Any provincial CFO making the simple request, say Ontario made the request "Send me, name, address and firearm details where region = "Ontario" and firearmtype = .... and a few minutes later in their local database they would have a list of all owners and their firearms by type. The database for the registry.... yes, probably all gone, the DATA.... nope.


Reminds me of a joke....

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c7a0f740aa.jpg

[MikePal]

. trust me, I have had to rebuild databases and by parsing the data transmitted in log files, transactions recorded on local databases etc.

Heck, their goal might not even be to get the whole database, they might just want the semi and pump owners and a few RCMP requests and that data being recorded and attached to individuals in regional or local databases... easy!

You don't seem to get the nuance...any remaining data from the registry is toxic..legally....no one can ever be found using it or any part of it. It can't be used. It was ordered destroyed by Federal Law and confirmed destroyed by the RCMP.

There are no 'legal' regional or local databases.....if a CFO was found to be using data illegally obtained from the now defunct Registry they would be charged.

[terrym]

You really have that much confidence and trust in the RCMP? Who is going to investigate them and or Lay charges?

[MikePal]

You really have that much confidence and trust in the RCMP? Who is going to investigate them and or Lay charges?

Yes I have trust in the Parliamentary system and the Law of our land. A Royal Commission has in the past and will always be available to hold the RCMP accountable.

I should hope I do; I spent 25 yrs wearing a Uniform, willing to give my life to defend that trust.