Confederate Battle Flag:Hate or History

[jaycee]

Use of the word "reparation" is not being racist ;

rep·a·ra·tion
ˌrepəˈrāSH(ə)n/
noun

• the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
  "the courts required a convicted offender to make financial reparation to his victim"
  

  synonyms:

  amends, restitution, redress, compensation, recompense, repayment, atonement "the victims are seeking reparation"

  
  
  
  
  • the compensation for war damage paid by a defeated state.
    plural noun: reparations
    
    
  
  
  
  
  

[trimmer21]

Thats a pretty big sociological question that if someone could put a valid reason to it would be very helpful in this american cultural debate and i totally see why you or really any of us , while we may have our thoughts on the matter dont feel really qualified to share it on a forum.

To spread the discussion a bit wider than the flag debate as we sit here on july 5 2015 there is a bust in front of the state senate building in tennessee of nathan bedford forrest. He was a confederate general AND the head of the ku klux klan. Does that not seem a bit strange?

It does,now,but,back in Nathan B.Forrest's day,it was status quo. At that time and even well into the early 20th century,the KKK was looked upon as very "uppity up". Over time,society evolves and learns. Changes occur. It goes hand in hand. We're dealing with,in the here and now,societies that have never changed. We call them The Taliban,Al Quaida and ISIL. How's that working for us?

[flowerjohn]

It does,now,but,back in Nathan B.Forrest's day,it was status quo. At that time and even well into the early 20th century,the KKK was looked upon as very "uppity up". Over time,society evolves and learns. Changes occur. It goes hand in hand. We're dealing with,in the here and now,societies that have never changed. We call them The Taliban,Al Quaida and ISIL. How's that working for us?

For sure trimmer21. If you look at the kkk history from its inception it wasnt about what it came to represent and the reason i brought nathan forrest into the conversation was to point out exactly that not only did the kkk and its meaning change over time but so has the confederate flag symbol. If you roll this forum way way back on your computer that is what i started with. I just think that the whole large discussion is mired in symbol interpretation and excuses but not much is being said not here but overall about the issue. Cheers

[flowerjohn]

A question for you joepa? How do you feel about the fact that the usa is 13 percent whole black ( that is the census term ) and yet forty percent of the usa's prison inmates are whole black?

[fishermccann]

Use of the word "reparation" is not being racist ;

rep·a·ra·tion
ˌrepəˈrāSH(ə)n/
noun

• the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
  "the courts required a convicted offender to make financial reparation to his victim"
  

  synonyms:

  amends, restitution, redress, compensation, recompense, repayment, atonement "the victims are seeking reparation"

  • the compensation for war damage paid by a defeated state.
    plural noun: reparations
  
  
  
  

To say welfare is reparation to the black community seems racist to me.Post 97

[trimmer21]

To say welfare is reparation to the black community seems racist to me.Post 97

I don't think it's racism. It's just flat-out wrong,but,that doesn't make it racist.

[flowerjohn]

Many forget that many southern blacks fought and died under that flag. There was one or two states that years ago had a vote to remove or keep the battle flag as part of their state flag. They voted YES keep it. I was at one time dating a black woman from Georgia, my great great grandfather had a black wife ( second wife ). The Sons of Confederate Veterans have a lot of members that are black.

Trouble with race relations is that must times the only people that the majority of people hear or see, are the idiots from both sides. A group of black and white kids hanging out drinking an RC Cola and eating moon pies don't make the news.

Helluva post dude. It was mississippi because those men black and white worked shoulder to shoulder so damned hard to keep the north out. Thats what it was to them.

[fishermccann]

I don't think it's racism. It's just flat-out wrong,but,that doesn't make it racist.

It seems to me like he is saying that all black people are on welfare, and that is racist.

[trimmer21]

It seems to me like he is saying that all black people are on welfare, and that is racist.

I went back and re-read the post. Nowhere did the post say that all black people were on welfare. It said that,for generations,black people have lived off the welfare system. That's an absolutely irrefutable factual statement which may wrankle some people's sensibilities,but,it still doesn't necessarily make it "racist". To me,a "racist" statement needs to be mean-spirited,untrue and stereotypically disparaging to an entire race. JoePa's post doesn't meet that criteria.

[JoePa]

A question for you joepa? How do you feel about the fact that the usa is 13 percent whole black ( that is the census term ) and yet forty percent of the usa's prison inmates are whole black?

The main reason is the family breakdown - and the government had lot to do with it - if you were a black girl living in an apartment with 8 of your siblings and you find out that if you get pregnant and have a baby you can get your own place and a check from the government each month what do you think happens - and then you find out that if you have more children the monthly check keeps getting bigger what do you think happens - then you find out that trying to raise 6 kids without a father around to discipline them is nearly impossible - so you have a bunch of guys who have the same up bringing hanging around with each other looking for trouble - and they get it and land in prison -

Now some one is going to say - wait a minute Joe that is too simplistic of an answer - sure there are others reasons but this is the major one - and as far as being poor and this causing the problem I don't buy that - because I was raised poor and so was just about everybody else in my neighborhood - in a coal mining town in Pa. - we didn't end up in jail - and I'll tell you something - in those days there wasn't all the help that one gets from the government as exists today -

And what eventually happens - a culture develops where a certain group of people live a certain way which can be a hindrance to success - from my experience with oriental people coming to this country I see where they in general are very high in getting an education for their children and have a strong family bond which all helps to project them up in the social ladder - hope that answers your question -