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    Quote Originally Posted by KMG Canada View Post
    Interesting article on the possible future of African hunting ...

    Dr. Rosie Clooney is Chair of the Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group at the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN).

    Zimbabwe: R.I.P Cecil the Lion. What Will Be His Legacy? and Who Decides?

    OPINION

    By Dr. Rosie Clooney

    London — Cecil the lion, a magnificent senior male, much loved and part of a long-term research project, was lured out of a safe haven in Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park last week and apparently illegally shot, to endure a protracted death.

    As the global outrage pours out, consider for a moment that trophy hunting has now been banned across Africa. Trophy hunting is the limited "high value" end of hunting, where people (often the wealthy and mainly Westerners) pay top dollar to kill an animal. In southern Africa it takes place across an area close on twice the sum total of National Parks in the region.

    Hwange Park staff numbers have been radically cut, and there is little money for cars or equipment for protection. Bushmeat poaching is on the rise and the rangers are ill equipped to cope.

    It arouses disgust and revulsion - animals are killed for sport - in some cases (such as lions) the meat not even eaten. Even the millions of weekend recreational hunters filling their freezers are uncertain about trophy hunting.

    It seems to have little place in the modern world, where humanity is moving toward an ethical position that increasingly grants animals more of the moral rights that humanity grants (in principle at least) to each other.

    So let us move now through the thought bubble where the EU and North America ban import of trophies, Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe and others ban trophy hunting, the airlines and shipping lines refuse to carry trophies, and the industry dies a slow (or fast) death, ridding the world of this toxic stain on our collective conscience

    We turn to survey southern Africa, proud of what we have achieved by our signing of online petitions, our lobbying of politicians, our Facebook shares and comments.

    Did we save lions? Have we safeguarded wildlife areas? Have we dealt the death blow to trafficking of wildlife? Have we liberated local communities from imperialistic foreign hunters?

    Let's go back to Hwange National Park, the scene of Cecil's demise. The Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, responsible for managing this and other National Parks, is now in trouble.

    It derived most of its income for protection, conservation and management of wildlife across the country from trophy hunting, with minimal revenue from central government (not well known for its good governance and transparent resource allocation).

    Hwange Park staff numbers have been radically cut, and there is little money for cars or equipment for protection. Bushmeat poaching is on the rise and the rangers are ill equipped to cope. The commonly used wire snares are indiscriminate, and capture many lions and other predators who die agonizing and pointless deaths.

    In Namibia, more than half of the communal conservancies (covering 20 percent of the country) have collapsed, because the revenue from non-hunting sources (such as tourism) is not enough to keep them viable and they have not been able to find alternative sources of income.

    Namibia's communal conservancies are an innovation of the 1990s, and have been responsible for dramatic increases in a wide range of wildlife species outside of national parks including elephant, lion, and black rhino. Income from trophy hunting and tourism has encouraged communities to turn their land over to conservation.

    Communities retain 100 percent of benefits from sustainable use of wildlife, including hunting - almost 18 million Namibian dollars in 2013. This money was spent by communities on schools, healthcare, roads, training, and the employment of 530 game guards to protect their wildlife.

    Almost two million high protein meals a year were a by-product of the hunting. Now this is all gone. A few conservancies managed to find wealthy philanthropic donors to prevent them going under - but they cross their fingers that the generosity will continue to flow for decades to come.

    Game guards are unemployed, unable to feed their families, looking for any opportunity to obtain some income. Communities are angry - they were never asked by the world what they thought about this. Few journalists or social media activists ever reflected their side of the story. Conservation authorities and communities are again becoming enemies.

    Where the conservancies have collapsed, the wildlife is largely wiped out. The bad old days pre-reform have returned, and wildlife is worth more dead than alive.

    Hungry bellies are fed with poached bushmeat and the armed poaching gangs have moved in - communities are no longer interested in feeding information to police to help protect wildlife, game guard programmes have collapsed for lack of funds and have spare targeted to supply the criminal syndicates, and rhino horns, lion bone, and ivory are being shipped out illicitly to East Asia.

    In South Africa, trophy hunting has stopped, including the small proportion that was "canned". On the private game ranches that covered some 20 million hectares of the country, though, revenues from wildlife have effectively collapsed.

    Those properties with scenic landscapes that are close to major tourist routes or attractions and have good tourism infrastructure are surviving on revenues from phototourism, but gone are the days of expanding their wildlife asset base by buying land and restocking this with additional wildlife. Most of the other landowners have returned to cattle, goats and crop farming in order to educate their children, run a car, pay their mortgages.

    Wildlife on these lands has largely gone along with its habitat - back to the degraded agriculture landscapes that prevailed before the 1970s when wildlife use by landholders (including hunting) became legal here.

    Lions that were on these farmlands are long gone, and the few that remain in national parks are shot as problem animals as soon as they leave the park. The great conservation success story of South Africa is rapidly unraveling.

    Speculative? Yes, but a reasonable prediction, because this has happened before. Bans on trophy hunting in Tanzania 1973-1978, Kenya in 1977 and in Zambia from 2000-2003 accelerated a rapid loss of wildlife due to the removal of incentives for conservation. Early anecdotal reports suggest similar patterns are already happening in Botswana, which banned all hunting last year.

    Let us mourn Cecil, but be careful what you wish for.
    This is the kind of Sci-Fi the antis use too, even if there is some true to it it's not my thing at all. It doesn't change anyone's mind, it just makes believers believe even more about their BS.

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    My post today on FB and my blog:

    Cecil the Lion


    1. Do not take 1st world views and values and place them in the 3rd world and expect your moral outrage to mean anything. Unless you've been boots on the ground in Africa, and have seen firsthand the imbalance between the money a country spends ( or doesn't) on it's people, and what hunting brings in, and directly assists, just shut up...period...full stop.

    2. The amount of money that hunters bring to regions devastated by poverty, outstrips any and all funding that is funneled through animal rights and conservation groups. How much did PETA spend in Africa last year? ZERO. How much did PETA spend on marketing, and photo-shopping ads and marketing pieces in support of their views? MILLIONS. Each hunter that lands in a region contributes $15-20K directly through license fees, this is not including any accommodation expenses, direct compensation to local businesses, nor the fact that many Africans can not afford to hunt, yet foreign hunters are compelled to donate the meat and products from game animals for local consumption.

    3. The world is not Walt Disney. Animals do not have names. That is a North American affectation that we place on them. It personalizes, and humanizes that which is not. The lion in question was just that....a wild lion. Not endangered, as some would attest, not a local favorite, as many would assert. Simply a wild lion. Collared...yes, and off limits as he was part of a study, yes.

    4. Lions are not endangered. In fact in many African countries their deaths bring joy to villages that live near their populations. There are many African people who know at least one person with a lion attack story....many do not end well. No one living in Africa is weeping for the death of this lion, except those few who have seen an opportunity to exploit North American guilt.

    5. The fault is not with the Dentist who made the shot. He arrowed the lion, then as part of an ethical hunt, spent a very long period of time tracking his quarry. He did so under direction of his guide. The fault lies with the guide, not the hunter. The rules in many countries for foreign hunters are expressly that a hunter must use a professional guide, so that all rules and regs are adhered to. In this case, the guide erred, but why villianize a poor native Zimbabwean, when the world press can crucify a white American dentist.

    6. There has been much discussed about the head and cape that was taken. Well folks, in the hunting world, if you wish to have a mount done be it moose, deer, bear, or any other game animal, you take the head and cape, which the taxidermist then uses.

    7. As reprehensible, and offensive as some may find the act of hunting on safari, or taking trophys. The fact remains that it actually has done more for wildlife population controls, and in fact improvements, than any other group on this Earth. When a value has been place on licenses and tags, the governments of those nations also put a focus on population protection, and preservation. This includes the prosecution of poachers.

    If you take issue with any of these arguments, that's fine. Do the world a favour, shut up, and get off your wallet and do something about it....talk is cheap, so is your moral outrage at non-facts as reported by the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebulldog View Post
    My post today on FB and my blog:

    Cecil the Lion


    1. Do not take 1st world views and values and place them in the 3rd world and expect your moral outrage to mean anything. Unless you've been boots on the ground in Africa, and have seen firsthand the imbalance between the money a country spends ( or doesn't) on it's people, and what hunting brings in, and directly assists, just shut up...period...full stop.

    2. The amount of money that hunters bring to regions devastated by poverty, outstrips any and all funding that is funneled through animal rights and conservation groups. How much did PETA spend in Africa last year? ZERO. How much did PETA spend on marketing, and photo-shopping ads and marketing pieces in support of their views? MILLIONS. Each hunter that lands in a region contributes $15-20K directly through license fees, this is not including any accommodation expenses, direct compensation to local businesses, nor the fact that many Africans can not afford to hunt, yet foreign hunters are compelled to donate the meat and products from game animals for local consumption.

    3. The world is not Walt Disney. Animals do not have names. That is a North American affectation that we place on them. It personalizes, and humanizes that which is not. The lion in question was just that....a wild lion. Not endangered, as some would attest, not a local favorite, as many would assert. Simply a wild lion. Collared...yes, and off limits as he was part of a study, yes.

    4. Lions are not endangered. In fact in many African countries their deaths bring joy to villages that live near their populations. There are many African people who know at least one person with a lion attack story....many do not end well. No one living in Africa is weeping for the death of this lion, except those few who have seen an opportunity to exploit North American guilt.

    5. The fault is not with the Dentist who made the shot. He arrowed the lion, then as part of an ethical hunt, spent a very long period of time tracking his quarry. He did so under direction of his guide. The fault lies with the guide, not the hunter. The rules in many countries for foreign hunters are expressly that a hunter must use a professional guide, so that all rules and regs are adhered to. In this case, the guide erred, but why villianize a poor native Zimbabwean, when the world press can crucify a white American dentist.

    6. There has been much discussed about the head and cape that was taken. Well folks, in the hunting world, if you wish to have a mount done be it moose, deer, bear, or any other game animal, you take the head and cape, which the taxidermist then uses.

    7. As reprehensible, and offensive as some may find the act of hunting on safari, or taking trophys. The fact remains that it actually has done more for wildlife population controls, and in fact improvements, than any other group on this Earth. When a value has been place on licenses and tags, the governments of those nations also put a focus on population protection, and preservation. This includes the prosecution of poachers.

    If you take issue with any of these arguments, that's fine. Do the world a favour, shut up, and get off your wallet and do something about it....talk is cheap, so is your moral outrage at non-facts as reported by the media.
    Great Write up BBD. Can you post a link to your FB post so I can share it on FB?

    Thanks

    Jeff

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    no kidding bbd, nice write up and feel free to find me

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    "Camo" is perfectly acceptable as a favorite colour.

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    Just shared, thanks

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    I have an interesting fact to share:

    Someone very closed to me is about to marry an experienced South African hunting guide. He just told her that he received a huge amount of quote request for lion hunt since Cecil got shot. Apparently, not been sure how long it's going to be allowed for every one is trying to get one booked for next year. Cecil might cost the life of a lot more lion and for a lot more money...

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    BBD, well said and spot on!

    Seabast, I have also noticed a tiny increase on inquiries for lions, but I think that is natural as people consider the potential future for lion hunting. The real fear is the banning of import into places like the USA and EU. The value of lions will drop and many will no longer keep them around. The old adage if it pays it stays runs true in RSA.

    Our typical plains game hunts are for the ordinary guy price wise RSA and we are finding this hasn't effected inquiries yet, although I find there is a lot more questions about export and shipping possibilities ... natural I suppose all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffBondar View Post
    Great Write up BBD. Can you post a link to your FB post so I can share it on FB?

    Thanks

    Jeff
    Hey Jeff, and others.

    I've had an interest in outdoor writing, with particular interest in firearms for some time. I have had a few folks who write for magazines give me a bit of mentoring. It was with that in mind, that I started a blog to build up a body of work.

    If interested, give it a read, feel free to follow, as I've been posting articles at a rate of about 1 per week.

    http://theworkingmansgunpage.blogspot.ca/
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    no kidding bbd, nice write up and feel free to find me
    Added. Nice to place a face with the name.
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