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August 26th, 2015, 07:41 AM
#81
Originally Posted by
Fox
At close range there is almost no difference, I am not talking yards but rather feet. If you are shooting the bear at 30 yards it is not a life and death situation, if the bear is 10 feet away and you shoot it in the face, shoulder, hind end, either way it is either going to turn the bear, kill the bear or piss the bear off, one of 3 options. The head of a bear is super strong, shoot under the chin rather than at the head and you have a better chance of stopping the bear no matter what you are shooting.
See my link above, the birdshot at close distance does not penetrate....
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August 26th, 2015 07:41 AM
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August 26th, 2015, 07:42 AM
#82
Originally Posted by
JeffBondar
Understood, but human vitals (especially the heart) aren't behind 4" of meat......and human flesh is a lot easier to penetrate than 3/4" plywood.
Last edited by MikePal; August 26th, 2015 at 08:26 AM.
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August 26th, 2015, 07:44 AM
#83
Originally Posted by
MikePal
Understood, but human vitals (especially the heart) aren't behind 4" of meat......and human flesh is a lot easy to penetrate than 3/4" plywood.
No doubt about that, but we are talking about bears :-)
Also, you have to punch through rib bones before you get to the human heart. I'm not saying it's not effective, I'm saying you can not compare birdshot to slugs at any range....
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August 26th, 2015, 08:15 AM
#84
Originally Posted by
JeffBondar
No doubt about that, but we are talking about bears :-)
your video link was discussing home defense..ergo my ref to a 'center of the chest' shot on a scumbag 
Originally Posted by
JeffBondar
I'm saying you can not compare birdshot to slugs at any range....
Well I'll have to disagree....my experience, witness and pics prove out that bird shot, at close range, is compatible to the stopping power of a slug.
Last edited by MikePal; August 26th, 2015 at 08:19 AM.
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August 26th, 2015, 08:33 AM
#85
Originally Posted by
MikePal
your video link was discussing home defense..ergo my ref to a 'center of the chest' shot on a scumbag
Well I'll have to disagree....my experience, witness and pics prove out that bird shot, at close range, is compatible to the stopping power of a slug.
No problem, we will agree to disagree :-)
Did you watch the video I posted where the birdshot did not penetrate the 4" of meat while the slug devastated it?
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August 26th, 2015, 08:42 AM
#86
Originally Posted by
JeffBondar
No doubt about that, but we are talking about bears :-)
Also, you have to punch through rib bones before you get to the human heart. I'm not saying it's not effective, I'm saying you can not compare birdshot to slugs at any range....
A black bear does not have a whole heck of a lot between the vitals and the hair, they are not armor plated.
You may not be able to compare the penetration of the slug to the birdshot but at 5ft it will not matter at all, a 1 1/8oz ball of shot vs a 1oz slug both at similar speeds and the bear will not have any clue which it was hit with.
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August 26th, 2015, 08:50 AM
#87
Originally Posted by
Fox
A black bear does not have a whole heck of a lot between the vitals and the hair, they are not armor plated.
You may not be able to compare the penetration of the slug to the birdshot but at 5ft it will not matter at all, a 1 1/8oz ball of shot vs a 1oz slug both at similar speeds and the bear will not have any clue which it was hit with.
I agree with you, it will all be effective at 5'. The only point I was trying to get across is that birdshot and slugs cannot be compared. The birdshot releases it's energy immediately. If we were talking something along the lines of 20' which really isn't that far the birdshot becomes useless.
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August 26th, 2015, 08:53 AM
#88
Originally Posted by
JeffBondar
No problem, we will agree to disagree :-)
Did you watch the video I posted where the birdshot did not penetrate the 4" of meat while the slug devastated it?
I'm actually surprised that this is being discussed by guys on a hunting board...
There is some real basic physics being ignored by some who'd I think would know better.
Before you go on posting about how birdshot penetrates as well as slugs, do a little real world test of your own - on a roadkill or something, and you'll change your mind. I tried to get the head off a dead buck with a shotgun once using birdshot...and it wasn't easy.
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August 26th, 2015, 08:58 AM
#89
Originally Posted by
werner.reiche
I'm actually surprised that this is being discussed by guys on a hunting board...
There is some real basic physics being ignored by some who'd I think would know better.
Before you go on posting about how birdshot penetrates as well as slugs, do a little real world test of your own - on a roadkill or something, and you'll change your mind. I tried to get the head off a dead buck with a shotgun once using birdshot...and it wasn't easy.
Werner, MikePal did some real world research on some rotted plywood :-)
I know I'm stirring the pot a bit here but there is a bit of common sense missing in the birdshot / slug comparison
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August 26th, 2015, 09:02 AM
#90
Originally Posted by
JeffBondar
I agree with you, it will all be effective at 5'. The only point I was trying to get across is that birdshot and slugs cannot be compared. The birdshot releases it's energy immediately. If we were talking something along the lines of 20' which really isn't that far the birdshot becomes useless.
I don't know about the rest of you but, if I had a bear charging me for real, I'm not going to wait until he is 5 feet from me!!!
I personally would go with the slugs over birdshot
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