This is why we need to fight ISIS

[muskokaguy]

"Were it not for a prescient strike against a Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007, which foreign media sources credit Israel with carrying out, the fanatics of Islamic State would now be in possession of their own nuclear facility."

- Former US diplomat Dennis P. Halpin.

This is what is so scary about the Iran deal.

[Waftrudnir]

We should be taking on double of what JT wants. The size of canada there's no reason we shouldn't. If Germany can take 800 000 this year surely we can do better with our size and resources. These people are fleeing ISIS, if they don't follow Isis's ways they are killed. I'm sure people had the same argument 150 years ago when a million Irish refugees came here.

It's not about taking refugees or not. The question is what you do with them when they are here. They will stay. Don't be fooled by the current numbers; the problem down there will continue for many years and will just get worse - it would be reasonable to assume an influx of refugees in 6 digits for Canada. Germany and Sweden got screwed by the rest of the EU.
How do you integrate them here? You'll get a good percentage of religious hardliners too (they just take their chance for a better life and play victim although they were part of the cause). Because, there are so many legitimate refugees and no way of verifying who is who you'll have to accept the fact that you will end up with thousands of trouble makers as well.
So, what's the plan on dealing with them? Hold on to same idea of religious freedom, so they can repeat here what they are currently doing down there?

[cantcatchacold]

It's not about taking refugees or not. The question is what you do with them when they are here. They will stay. Don't be fooled by the current numbers; the problem down there will continue for many years and will just get worse - it would be reasonable to assume an influx of refugees in 6 digits for Canada. Germany and Sweden got screwed by the rest of the EU.
How do you integrate them here? You'll get a good percentage of religious hardliners too (they just take their chance for a better life and play victim although they were part of the cause). Because, there are so many legitimate refugees and no way of verifying who is who you'll have to accept the fact that you will end up with thousands of trouble makers as well.
So, what's the plan on dealing with them? Hold on to same idea of religious freedom, so they can repeat here what they are currently doing down there?

We could do the same as when your family immigrated and mine did when they came to canada. Make them welcome, safe and have a great opportunity for the future of their families like most of us Canadians enjoy

[cantcatchacold]

I absolutely disagree. Canada has the widest and most far-ranging refugee immigrant policy in the western world. What screws us is our damn bureaucracy and red tape. Then again,we sure can't save everybody. The other thing that galls me to no end is politicians that use a terrible incident to gain opportunistic political electioneering points on the back of victims. That,I find reprehensible.

That I agree with. It shouldn't be an election issue or a way for any party to gain votes. It's kinda sick the way the libs are using it in speeches. Campaign or not those politicians are just trying to gain votes instead of working on action. It should be a world issue to help people live in safety from having loved ones beheaded and daughters raped. I do respect the immigration minister Chris Alexander for stepping away from the campaign trail to work on these issues.

[Hunter John]

We could do the same as when your family immigrated and mine did when they came to canada. Make them welcome, safe and have a great opportunity for the future of their families like most of us Canadians enjoy

Unfortunately times have changed since our families came over and with todays failed multiculturalism and overly politically correct BS the immigrant dream of our great grandparents is long gone. I agree that we need to do more but opening the floodgates is not the answer and other countries capable of helping need to step up as well.

[cantcatchacold]

True but id rather listen to an idiot be offended by everything then see a dead kid on the news. There's good and bad in all groups.

[jaycee]

Unfortunately times have changed since our families came over and with todays failed multiculturalism and overly politically correct BS the immigrant dream of our great grandparents is long gone. I agree that we need to do more but opening the floodgates is not the answer and other countries capable of helping need to step up as well.

I agree , times have changed and drastically, yes we should do more but to what degree and danger to our economy and social well being of our present population.
By letting in more migrants ,without screening , are we not adding to the unemployment of the thousands that we already have? are we not adding to the hardships already placed on our foodbanks who are constantly running short , where are we going to house all these migrants and again at what cost , and don't forget the extra burden this is going to force on our healthcare system as we have absolutely no idea of the health situation of these migrant people .
Times are already very hard and tough on many segments of our own country Canada.
Unfortunately Canada is not an UTOPIA as many believe it is many people here are hard working and find it extremely tough to make ends meet , Unfortunately it is WE THE TAXPAYER who are going to bear all the problems as this is where all the money has to come from to bring in and support all these migrants .
This sounds as if I am a hard nosed SOB, I am not , I am just looking at the reality of this situation, which is "Very Sad".

[mosquito]

I agree , times have changed and drastically, yes we should do more but to what degree and danger to our economy and social well being of our present population.
By letting in more migrants ,without screening , are we not adding to the unemployment of the thousands that we already have? are we not adding to the hardships already placed on our foodbanks who are constantly running short , where are we going to house all these migrants and again at what cost , and don't forget the extra burden this is going to force on our healthcare system as we have absolutely no idea of the health situation of these migrant people .
Times are already very hard and tough on many segments of our own country Canada.
Unfortunately Canada is not an UTOPIA as many believe it is many people here are hard working and find it extremely tough to make ends meet , Unfortunately it is WE THE TAXPAYER who are going to bear all the problems as this is where all the money has to come from to bring in and support all these migrants .
This sounds as if I am a hard nosed SOB, I am not , I am just looking at the reality of this situation, which is "Very Sad".

Canada takes in over 20,000 per year already, I know someone that used to work with refugees as a volunteer, they are already stretch helping the ones that arrive each year. There are requirements for places to stay, support, clothing, education, language help etc. and in the case that has got all the attention... they weren't coming from a country where there was fighting.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp


A month ago ISIS kidnapped almost 200 kids and the world was almost silent.
http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-kidnaps-...ghters-2024533

two months ago 74 children killed by ISIS.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07...including-not/


Tragic it is true, but where is the blame, they could have remained in Turkey and been safe, only the Uncle had applied and to me this looks like political grand standing. Items like above makes me want to put lead between ISIS's eyes and exploiting a tragedy a boot between some politicians and reporters legs!

The B.S. of not fighting ISIS is just that, the idea of a fool! A few bombs dropped by Canadian fighters on an area as large as England won't make a big difference... except to those the tanks or artillery are firing on... so not helping is nothing more than allowing ISIS to massacre and drive out more!

[terrym]

Canada takes in over 20,000 per year already, I know someone that used to work with refugees as a volunteer, they are already stretch helping the ones that arrive each year. There are requirements for places to stay, support, clothing, education, language help etc. and in the case that has got all the attention... they weren't coming from a country where there was fighting.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp


A month ago ISIS kidnapped almost 200 kids and the world was almost silent.
http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-kidnaps-...ghters-2024533

two months ago 74 children killed by ISIS.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07...including-not/


Tragic it is true, but where is the blame, they could have remained in Turkey and been safe, only the Uncle had applied and to me this looks like political grand standing. Items like above makes me want to put lead between ISIS's eyes and exploiting a tragedy a boot between some politicians and reporters legs!

The B.S. of not fighting ISIS is just that, the idea of a fool! A few bombs dropped by Canadian fighters on an area as large as England won't make a big difference... except to those the tanks or artillery are firing on... so not helping is nothing more than allowing ISIS to massacre and drive out more!

As brutal and heart wrenching as the photo of the 3 yr old is to anybody with a soul, put in perspective it actually pales to what is ongoing. They are beating people to death, burning them alive, lopping heads off in public. The way they are enslaving, abusing and torturing women somehow now pales in comparison? No, I don't think so. I have a wife and 2 daughters. The thought of having them taken away and used as sex slaves and traded like cattle enrages me. I can't understand how every man alive isn't enraged by this. Tens of thousands will meet far more brutal ends before it get's better. This is why we need to engage them militarily. They want to start a full blown world war which is why they publish their atrocities. They know they have support locally and history shows beating them at home is near impossible, mostly because a large part of the population actually agree with them about ethnic cleansing. They are like weeds. you can snip off the head but the roots are still there. The free and civilized world needs to mount a full scale war on this group. The best way is exactly what Harper is doing. Bomb them with strategic bombers and smart bombs. Maximum damage and very little threat to our troops. F-18 may be old tech but they can still take out multiple targets from 300kms away moving at the speed of sound. I sure as hell wouldn't want one looking for me in the dark. Trudeau and Mulcair have already stated they would not attack militarily. That mentality would have us all speaking German today if it was how we acted before the last world War. I am perfectly willing to pay an additional "WAR TAX" to fund military action against these savages. In these dangerous times and wounded economies do you really want idiots who can't take a principled stand or think you can spend your way out of debt in power? God help us.

[Hunter John]

Agreed Terry , but if the surrounding countries refuse to police their own patch ther is not much chance the west and like minded european countries will achieve their goal and bringing in tens of thousands of refugees may look good and may even be the right thing to do it will not stop the madness. What is needed is a full scale global effort to wipe out this cancer. Make no mistake that it will be a 100 year effort and to that I say good luck.
We are not simply fighting an enemy we are fighting a mindset that as you pointed out there are likely millions of people that support that mindset, to think otherwise is foolish.