PAL renewal retarded...

[Splaker]

Got it sorted out.. completely new application required.. it'll take 30 to 45 days... so Nov. But I pretty much only bow hunt now and so I'm good to go... anything under 500 F/S does not require a PAL

[Splaker]

One of the conditions of a(r) PAL is to inform the CFO of an address change..

I know but a lot has happened in our lives, including a new house and a new baby, our first.. so PAL was not top of my mind

[GW11]

It was definitely not a hunter course. I already had my hunting license, which required me to go through 6 weeks of training at a club, plus a written and practical test. I got that at the age of 16. My dad purchased my first shot gun that year, would have been 88 or 89, without a FAC. I was able to possess the gun, but not purchase it. But then they changed the law and said you needed an FAC to possess a firearm. In the pursuit of the FAC, we were also required to do a special gun safety course. I remember it containing all the new rules about safe gun storage, ammunition storage, etc. That's the same year people stopped storing their shotguns in their closets, and had to buy lockable safes that met the federal requirement, ammunition stored and locked separately from firearms, etc.

The ministry has a record of my test, that I've already confirmed. If you did the course, they should have a record of it. I didn't have to show them anything other than provide my name and birth date.

There's nothing illegal about storing a firearm in a closet, as long as it's trigger locked. Also nothing illegal about storing ammo unlocked on a shelf, or in your sock drawer for that matter. It just has to be stored separately from the firearm. You can also store firearms and ammo together, but that's where the safe is necessary.

[Bluebulldog]

I didn't follow it (obviously). So are you saying that from 1992 to late 90's, we would have had to take the course to get the FAC? Did they keep the course when they changed to the PAL?

Precisely.

[MarkB]

There's nothing illegal about storing a firearm in a closet, as long as it's trigger locked. Also nothing illegal about storing ammo unlocked on a shelf, or in your sock drawer for that matter. It just has to be stored separately from the firearm. You can also store firearms and ammo together, but that's where the safe is necessary.

Yes you're right about the trigger locks, my dad just went on the instructor's advice and put the guns in a purpose built safe. I'm not sure about the ammo thing though. At the time we got our FAC, I remember my dad acted quickly on the course instructer's advice and not only built the gun safe, but also stored the ammo sepearately and also locked. Maybe they changed the storage requirements over the years, but I googled it a minute ago and found this link:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum.../t-395155.html

In it some guys say it's okay to store on a shelf, but others say it's not, and others even say they know of people who were charged for not safely storing ammo. I've copied below one of the responses, and his response is what I remember from the course we took 25 years ago (or so, can't remember everything).

angryeyebrows
10-16-2009, 12:21 PM
As far as storage goes, to be legal and in compliance with the info on the Department of justice's page (SOR/98-209), all you have to do is the following:

If the firearm is non restricted

- Unloaded
- Trigger Locked or Bolt removed OR
- Stored in Container or Room that cannot readily be broken into

If restricted

- Unloaded
- Trigger Locked or Bolt removed AND
- Stored in Container or Room that cannot readily be broken into

The ONLY way to get around not trigger locking the restricted firearms is to store them in a vault, safe or room SPECIFICALLY constructed for storing said firearms. The Stack On type cabinets won't cut it.

Ammo can be stored in the same Container or Room with the firearm OR in any other location that is not readily accessible if someone were to get a hold of a firearm.

Those are the Laws. I've printed them out and have them posted on the inside of the locker my firearms are in.

Some Provinces have additional rules and regulations so you have to be sure you know what's specific to you.

[Dythbringer]

I'm not sure about that. At the time we got our FAC, I remember my dad acted quickly on the course instructer's advice and built a gun storage closet that was locked, and stored the ammo sepearately and also locked. Maybe they changed the storage requirements over the years, but I googled it a minute ago and found this link:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum.../t-395155.html

In it some guys say it's okay to store on a shelf, but others say it's not, and others even say they know of people who were charged for not safely storing ammo. I've copied below one of the responses, and his response is what I remember from the course we took 25 years ago (or so, can't remember everything).

angryeyebrows
10-16-2009, 12:21 PM
As far as storage goes, to be legal and in compliance with the info on the Department of justice's page (SOR/98-209), all you have to do is the following:

If the firearm is non restricted

- Unloaded
- Trigger Locked or Bolt removed OR
- Stored in Container or Room that cannot readily be broken into

If restricted

- Unloaded
- Trigger Locked or Bolt removed AND
- Stored in Container or Room that cannot readily be broken into

The ONLY way to get around not trigger locking the restricted firearms is to store them in a vault, safe or room SPECIFICALLY constructed for storing said firearms. The Stack On type cabinets won't cut it.

Ammo can be stored in the same Container or Room with the firearm OR in any other location that is not readily accessible if someone were to get a hold of a firearm.

Those are the Laws. I've printed them out and have them posted on the inside of the locker my firearms are in.

Some Provinces have additional rules and regulations so you have to be sure you know what's specific to you.

Straight from the RCMP website about storage:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm

It basically says for lawful storage of non-restricted firearms, attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into.

[topher]

I know but a lot has happened in our lives, including a new house and a new baby, our first.. so PAL was not top of my mind

I understand completely.. it's not top of your priority list. . Was just playing devils advocate

[topher]

Yes you're right about the trigger locks, my dad just went on the instructor's advice and put the guns in a purpose built safe. I'm not sure about the ammo thing though. At the time we got our FAC, I remember my dad acted quickly on the course instructer's advice and not only built the gun safe, but also stored the ammo sepearately and also locked. Maybe they changed the storage requirements over the years, but I googled it a minute ago and found this link:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum.../t-395155.html

In it some guys say it's okay to store on a shelf, but others say it's not, and others even say they know of people who were charged for not safely storing ammo. I've copied below one of the responses, and his response is what I remember from the course we took 25 years ago (or so, can't remember everything).

angryeyebrows
10-16-2009, 12:21 PM
As far as storage goes, to be legal and in compliance with the info on the Department of justice's page (SOR/98-209), all you have to do is the following:

If the firearm is non restricted

- Unloaded
- Trigger Locked or Bolt removed OR
- Stored in Container or Room that cannot readily be broken into

If restricted

- Unloaded
- Trigger Locked or Bolt removed AND
- Stored in Container or Room that cannot readily be broken into

The ONLY way to get around not trigger locking the restricted firearms is to store them in a vault, safe or room SPECIFICALLY constructed for storing said firearms. The Stack On type cabinets won't cut it.

Ammo can be stored in the same Container or Room with the firearm OR in any other location that is not readily accessible if someone were to get a hold of a firearm.

Those are the Laws. I've printed them out and have them posted on the inside of the locker my firearms are in.

Some Provinces have additional rules and regulations so you have to be sure you know what's specific to you.

Have you heard of ian Thompson? Well his court case judge said that it's okay to store ammo on a shelf..

[grog]

Did you get a notice that you needed to renew? If so, when did you get it as far as when your expiry date was?
Thanks

At least a month, more like two i think.

[PaulR]

I received a notice that my RPAY was coming up for renewal a few weeks back. I went online to renew and encountered a problem. One of the first questions was about the information for a significant other. I recently lost my wife, we would have celebrated 39 years just the other day, so in effect, I have no significant other. The next question was about a significant other during the past 2 years, this is where it got complicated. Now I can't be the first to be in this situation, there was no provision for the loss of a loved one. Yes, I had a significant other, no I can't provide contact information. I called the CFO's office, the rep went all through the forms and was unable to find any way to complete the form either. In the end, she stayed on the phone with me, I filled out what I could, and when completed and paid, it generated a reference number. At that point she went into the file and added a note.
Hopefully everything is straightened out and there will be no issues with my renewal.