fall salmon fishing

[pikeattack]

Salmon " fishing" that takes place in rivers is a complete joke. How can anyone get excited about snagging dying fish that are stuck in some ditch with a foot of water in it?

Let's be honest, at least 95% of the fish are either lined by accident or snagged intentionally. Maybe it is possible to catch unspooked fish on Flatfish etc but who does that? Hardly no one. You can't. There are so many people lined up to slice these things the only way you can "fish" is to drift and see if your line wraps around one's head. And before someone says "no way, all my fish are hooked in the mouth" let me tell you, anyone can line a fish and hook it inside the mouth. It's not like it takes much practice. Half the salmon are so deformed by now they can't even close their mouths any more. Any fool can hook one inside the mouth. Every single day, hundreds of people do.

Eat the roe? Are you kidding me? Ok, maybe a handful of people might try eating the stuff but the majority are grabbing it to use as bait, or to sell it as bait. That's fact.

Eat the salmon? Ha! That's a laugh too. You would be better off to eat your waders. They'd be less rubbery, have less chemicals in them, and probably taste better too. Anyone eating these things is shortening their life span with every bite.

The roe part is where you're wrong, my background is Russian and 80% of people on the rivers right now are Russian, especially at night, I know this because I have seen it, ALL of them keep the roe, for only 2 reasons, first is to eat, (search up salmon caviar online, I have eaten it and also keep roe to eat, I don't use salmon roe for bait as it is garbage compared to trout roe). The second reason is to take the roe and sell it, they are only after the eggs, sometimes you will see males with partially cut open stomachs, as most of them don't know how to tell hens apart from males. As for eating the fish, why not take a chrome fish? I caught many chrome as a dime kings and cohos in the middle of August out of an Ontario trib that had red meat and tasted very nice. Of course almost noone will keep a boot to eat but chrome fish, especially cohos, for sure. I mean I'd rather take a gbay fish but a fresh Ontario fish ounce in a blue moon won't kill anyone, hasnt killed me that's for sure! As for everything else you stated most of the info is correct, yes most do floss the fish, out east anyways, they will hit a lure, especially cohos and chrome kings but that's rare and usually while they're fresh, like in the middle of August, when I fished and almost no people on the rivers, loogans don't come out until the fish are in so thick you cant cross the river without stepping on them. Now that all the loogans are out and about, I'll only fish north shore Huron tribs or at the very maximum gbay tribs.

[grasshopper999]

while its good to know your people are so honest they have to fish at night i guess so no one sees them and how they fish and try to catch all they can and don,t care maybe if there are fish to spawn again what a proud people you are don,t even know the difference between male and female even more reason to fish at night i am sure there is other people who do this as well, but people got to start thinking if we harvest everything where are the fish going to come from years from now this is a sport not a lively hood

[grasshopper999]

while at bronte today caught one in the mouth not flossed nice and chrome , we found 30 more there weren,t taking anything would move out of the way of everthing i guess their not just zombies after all they can actually think maybe theres hope yet , thats if these night time fishing russians and other people don,t get them , i being to think there is no hope for fish around tronoto it just as some low life people who don,t care about the fish just them selves there is good in all people we just have to find it and the people have to start showing it

[GrizzlyAdams]

Salmon " fishing" that takes place in rivers is a complete joke. How can anyone get excited about snagging dying fish that are stuck in some ditch with a foot of water in it?

Let's be honest, at least 95% of the fish are either lined by accident or snagged intentionally. Maybe it is possible to catch unspooked fish on Flatfish etc but who does that? Hardly no one. You can't. There are so many people lined up to slice these things the only way you can "fish" is to drift and see if your line wraps around one's head. And before someone says "no way, all my fish are hooked in the mouth" let me tell you, anyone can line a fish and hook it inside the mouth. It's not like it takes much practice. Half the salmon are so deformed by now they can't even close their mouths any more. Any fool can hook one inside the mouth. Every single day, hundreds of people do.

Eat the roe? Are you kidding me? Ok, maybe a handful of people might try eating the stuff but the majority are grabbing it to use as bait, or to sell it as bait. That's fact.

Eat the salmon? Ha! That's a laugh too. You would be better off to eat your waders. They'd be less rubbery, have less chemicals in them, and probably taste better too. Anyone eating these things is shortening their life span with every bite.

Well thanks for the down to earth opinion you have about salmon fishing you seem highly educated on the topic. I was excited to read up on it for next year but now i guess i could eat my hip waders instead and be better off like you say.

Anybody got some positives to change my mind here? Symmetre makes some valid points it seems and opened my eyes to this but is it really that bad? I like to eat salmon but not if I have to chew my teeth off for it. Salmon jerky is fun to make maybe if there tougher itll be better for my candied smoked salmon? Or are they just caught for novelty?

[muddler]

This boils done to ethical fishing habits. I have seen both sides of the fall fishing season. From "PIGS" that rape the resources with little or no regard for the future of fishing in the GTA ditches, to those that enjoy the experience and hooking any fish is a bonus.

It is the "fishermen" with 20 pounds of roe in a bag, chuming later in the fall that gets to me. The snaggers and flossers that brag how much roe they have stored at the end of the season that are destroying the fishery. The drunken "camp outs" that kill everything they catch. As an old friend of mine says all the time, "Ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is for ever." These type of behaviours is what causes private clubs and private properties that ban fishermen, to spring up in the GTA and surrounding areas. More fishermen and less water to fish. As this rape of our resources continues then there will be more closed seasons and sanctuaries and the wonderful fall fishing we now have will be a distant memory.

Angus has its local permits. Port Hope is changing its fisheries, they've had enough. Barrie has put in restricted parking at fishing spots. This is just the beginning. As more and more communities fight back against the PIGS that abuse our past time, and the garbage they leave behind, fewer and fewer opportunities will be left for the next generations.

Education is the only way to turn the tide. Our governments, local groups a,d fishing clubs must take a stand to protect the immense and valuable fisheries resources that we still have. I would love to see a TV campaign that promotes ethical use of outdoor sport resources. Heavier fines and more COs would help, but education of all fishermen as to the ethics of outdoor sports is now a must.

Just my 2 cents. Muddler

[phoenix]

while its good to know your people are so honest they have to fish at night i guess so no one sees them and how they fish and try to catch all they can and don,t care maybe if there are fish to spawn again what a proud people you are don,t even know the difference between male and female even more reason to fish at night i am sure there is other people who do this as well, but people got to start thinking if we harvest everything where are the fish going to come from years from now this is a sport not a lively hood

I go fishing at night because I spend my days with my kids and I can't get out until night and there is alot less people there at night and alot less fishing pressure at night...and theres noone there to see when i get skunked again

[grasshopper999]

yes true you could go after 400pm are you just going after roe no thats what i was reffering to the guy talking about the russians who just go for the roe to sell or eat sure there is honest people who go at night but alot of dishonest people as well , and the salmon i caught tasted great

[Symmetre]

Well thanks for the down to earth opinion you have about salmon fishing you seem highly educated on the topic. I was excited to read up on it for next year but now i guess i could eat my hip waders instead and be better off like you say.

Anybody got some positives to change my mind here? Symmetre makes some valid points it seems and opened my eyes to this but is it really that bad? I like to eat salmon but not if I have to chew my teeth off for it. Salmon jerky is fun to make maybe if there tougher itll be better for my candied smoked salmon? Or are they just caught for novelty?

Sorry to pee on the parade, but yeah, that really does describe the reality of salmon "fishing" in most tributary rivers. Go look and see for yourself. It's absolutely pathetic.

It doesn't have to be that way though. If you want to catch salmon properly and have some fun, try casting big Flatfish, Shad Raps or J-13 Rapalas off piers at the mouth of the spawning streams, or in the slow water up to the first rapids.

Or try fishing bigger water, like the whirlpool at the Niagara. At least there, and off the piers, you have a chance of actually catching fish. Its a different experience than the shallow little creeks where they get chased around night and day, and half the fish have broken-off hooks and flies stuck in their fins.

[pikeattack]

yes true you could go after 400pm are you just going after roe no thats what i was reffering to the guy talking about the russians who just go for the roe to sell or eat sure there is honest people who go at night but alot of dishonest people as well , and the salmon i caught tasted great

Salmon from bronte tasted great........now I've seen everything

[mark270wsm]

Anyone that would put that poison in there body is nuts. And the worst part about it the charter boats promote it