Return of Long Gun Registry

[Bigbear]

Actual Liberal platform on guns, as announced today:


https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/?shownew=1

None of this seems radical, really, although some of it is irksome...

You have to start with irksome. Irksome comes before P in the A. P in the A precedes radical stupidity.

[Bigbear]

What does Bill C-51 say about the "freedom index" of the CPC?

Exactly. You get it.

[fishermccann]

Bill C-51 , talk about loss of freedom, this bill takes most of it.

[terrym]

Bill C-51 , talk about loss of freedom, this bill takes most of it.

What specifically is it in that bill that changes your everyday life negatively to the point you feel it trumps increased pressure on potential terror acts?

[Gun Nut]

Not necessarily. If it's perceived as a freedom thing, then it's a much bigger issue than being just about firearms.

I see positions on firearms and freedom of expression issues as pretty damn good indicators of the overall "freedom index" of a particular party. They are kind of canaries-in-the-coal-mine as far as I'm concerned.

Amen Bigbear, I couldn't have put it better myself.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

[mosquito]

What specifically is it in that bill that changes your everyday life negatively to the point you feel it trumps increased pressure on potential terror acts?

They are trying to convince the uninformed low info. voters of the "threat" of C-51, even the Liberals voted for it and now worse yet even said the Liberals wanted to change the CES to allow spying on Canadians.
https://bcblue.wordpress.com/2015/10...rty-go-silent/

Let's see the "freedom index"

NDP - track all guns -5
Liberals - UN treaty -5
Liberals - change CES -5
Liberals leader - favourite gov't dictatorship in China -10
C-51 - -1 if you advocate violence (both Liberals and Conservatives)


By my count NDP - negative 5, Liberals negative 21 and since I don't publish articles about committing violence and threats Conservative 0.

By my count on the freedom index stays unchanged as long as I vote Conservative, and I get to keep my tax cuts, I get to use the TFSA to save (I can use anytime and instead of the RRSP that is taxed) and Canada continues to stand up and try and protect those threatened by ISIL..... by my "wisdom count" that would make it:

Liberals -21
NDP -5
Conservatives 0 (+ 50 bonuses as above.)

That's where I would say the count is, two losers and one logical choice!

[welsh]

I'm thinking Bill C-51 is kind of off-topic here.

[fishermccann]

We were talking about freedom which fits right in here. Freedom to assemble with like minded people to protest against the government. Bill C-51 makes that against the law.

[welsh]

Sure enough. But this is the firearms forum, not the general democratic freedom forum, and I think we all know that if we continue down this path, this thread is getting locked.

Anyway, carry on. I won't stand in the way of anyone's freedom to talk about C-51.

[Gun Nut]

Bill C-51 , talk about loss of freedom, this bill takes most of it.

Although this Bill was intended to target terrorist activities, the suspicions are that it could have broader applications affecting Charter rights and freedoms. However, the courts appear to have a final say, on any such applications. So I suspect that any concerns offered on the Left are really a tempest in a teapot, and an effort to make political hay.


You don;t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.