Hunting with the Savage 10ML ii

[Nismo]

Nothing like taking a canon to a knife fight eh? What are you using for projectiles again?

N/m just saw your other post, I'm seriously wondering what your speed is like. I used 55gn of 5744 I know I'm crazy, and got 2300, with 44 you must be 1700-1800 with a 300 gn plug.

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[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

No idea on the speed all I know is the results of the shot's on the 3 bucks I shot were devestating.

Buck # 1 broadside double lung dropped on the spot.

Buck # 2 broadside shoulder shot ran 30 yards & fell over.

Buck# 3 hard quartering to me shot entered in the neck went through both lungs & heart. Dropped on the spot.

All shots were complete passthroughs with good expansion.

I am not that worried about speed after seeing the actual results...

Heck my Micro cross-bow only shoots areound 310fps with a 400gr arrow.. LOL

[Cito]

Anyone using 4227 for a load? My 4759 supply is almost out

[Monster29/66]

I have an inline and I have a percussion cap and have been muzzleloading since it started in Ontario. The reason rifles where banned in southern Ontario was due to some questionable shots being taken in high density urban areas and fear someone would get shot. The MNR in response made may areas shotgun and muzzleloader only in addition to archery.

since then modern advancements in sabots and in line muzzleloaders is yet pushing the distances of what hunters can shoot increasing the risk of richochets or shooting towards non hunters whom may not be aware of a hunters prescence. I know everyone here knows when hunting seasons area but many in the public don't and many more don't even know there is a muzzleloading season.

the savage in my mind crosses the line as to what the intent of the MNRs restriction on rifles was attempting to accomplish, I know for a fact MNR is aware of this as my significant other has worked there for 15 years, owns a muzzleloader herself and is well versed on this topic.

[Nismo]

Better ban slugs, and slug guns too if that's the case.


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[bellerivercrossbowhunter]

I have an inline and I have a percussion cap and have been muzzleloading since it started in Ontario. The reason rifles where banned in southern Ontario was due to some questionable shots being taken in high density urban areas and fear someone would get shot. The MNR in response made may areas shotgun and muzzleloader only in addition to archery.

since then modern advancements in sabots and in line muzzleloaders is yet pushing the distances of what hunters can shoot increasing the risk of richochets or shooting towards non hunters whom may not be aware of a hunters prescence. I know everyone here knows when hunting seasons area but many in the public don't and many more don't even know there is a muzzleloading season.

the savage in my mind crosses the line as to what the intent of the MNRs restriction on rifles was attempting to accomplish, I know for a fact MNR is aware of this as my significant other has worked there for 15 years, owns a muzzleloader herself and is well versed on this topic.

if you owned and hunted with a 10 ML II you would not feel that way...LOL

[Big Jack]

I have an inline and I have a percussion cap and have been muzzleloading since it started in Ontario. The reason rifles where banned in southern Ontario was due to some questionable shots being taken in high density urban areas and fear someone would get shot. The MNR in response made may areas shotgun and muzzleloader only in addition to archery.

since then modern advancements in sabots and in line muzzleloaders is yet pushing the distances of what hunters can shoot increasing the risk of richochets or shooting towards non hunters whom may not be aware of a hunters prescence. I know everyone here knows when hunting seasons area but many in the public don't and many more don't even know there is a muzzleloading season.

the savage in my mind crosses the line as to what the intent of the MNRs restriction on rifles was attempting to accomplish, I know for a fact MNR is aware of this as my significant other has worked there for 15 years, owns a muzzleloader herself and is well versed on this topic.

Well Savages have been out for 14 years - not exactly new so not sure why the MNR is taking an interest now....

Rifles aren't banned they simply can't be used for deer. I can use my 270 for coyote etc....

These MZ projectiles fly like a falling meteorite so comparing them to a rifle does not make any sense. At 300 yards with a rifle I may have 4 or more inch drop or so depending on caliber, velocity, and bullet. I play a lot at that distance. With a MZ your looking at a hell of a lot more never mind the fact that speed decreases very quickly the further you go given ballistic coefficient of the bullet. Again like a flying rock. At 400 its in the ground and basically out of gas but that 270 still has a whole lot of range.

I am striving for 300 yard capability with the 10 ml and my other smokeless. There is a lot to trying to make this happen and I'm not there yet.

I have 200 yard buttoned up but in comparison I can name 4 slug guns that are quite competent at 200 yards without modification. Can they match the savage accuracy? - not quite but they will do that range well. Again not exactly new so why the concern now?

I personally haven't seen an advancement in sabots for 10 years unless you count the Federal BOR system which is not recommended for smokeless as per Federal. It certainly won't fly any farther.

My two cents.

[standup]

I know it will do the job out to 200 yards and a little more "provided I do mine ".

as any inline will, @ 2/3 the weight

[jaycee]

as any inline will, @ 2/3 the weight

And less weight equals more recoil, any shooter knows that !