180$ fine delevered to my door!

[Dan1]

Sound like you already made up your mind to take ownership of your oversight to this requirement, pay the fine and be done with it. Similar to what others have said taking time off work to state your reasoning in order to get the fine reduced would be wasting your time and losing money on top of that. No brainer to me. Most Ontarians probably don't fully understand 25% of the Provincial Acts or Regulations we have to live by day to day in our Province. CO is just doing his job as directed, trying to collect funds for Ms. Wynne, sure his resources are needed elsewhere, but resources are thin and on this day he was tasked to hand out fines, which in turn will actually make money for the province.
Planned a duck hunt many moons ago at Hullet, was going to leave right after working an afternoon shift. Loaded the car for hunt, placed my hunting licences in my back pocket and went to work. After work picked up a buddy and drove to Hullet. In the morning changed out of my work pants into hunting pants and went for ducks. CO stops by the blind and asks for licences and I have a holy moment, explain my situation. CO says pack up your gear lets go to your car to see your licence. We pack up decoys, 1/2 hour back out of the marsh. Get to the car show him my licences, writes me a Provincial Offence Notice for not having my licence on my person. Paid the fine as innocent as it was, it was not worth my time or losing money from work to attend court having to drive to Lake Huron to explain my self. Its a PON, no criminal record, insurance isn't going to skyrocket, pay the fine, learn from the error and move on.

[Hardrack]

I've attached a link below that lists the preset fines that the MNR imposes...I was going to direct you straight to the applicable fine...but I think it get more out of it if you scan thru and see what it will cost you if you break a rule....

http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/how-...schedule-17-5/

http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/how-...schedule-17-7/

http://www.ontariocourts.ca/ocj/how-...schedule-17-8/

thank you! What boggles my mind is why are they not enforced?.. Is it because they can't? Doesn't make sense... Does it?











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[Gilroy]

After reading this thread I'm kind of disgusted by the attitudes of some. There are rules and regulations that we must follow and if you choose to break them man up and pay the consequences. The excuses are sickening. Its a cash grab....bull if you don't want to pay them send in your report. They should pay postage...bull use the free service online as your already here aren't you? They should of reminded me...bull you remembered to apply on your own and go out hunting yet somehow forgot too forgot to submit? Tie up the courts to lessen your punishment......bull as already said man up buttercup. No wonder enforcement is bogged down with all the baby sitting legit hunters expect to have can only imagine what the criminals get away with. Do your part regulate yourselves please.

As a former LEO I would be embarrassed to take the stand and say I gave a citizen a $180.00 ticket for not submitting a form.

You don't get fined in Canada for NOT VOTING but you can get whacked for a not filling out a form.

The whole thing is backwards, what type of returns will the MNR get from hunters who are already pissed off?

They are seeking good information on which to base harvest quotas for the next season.

When you make things MANDATORY in any situation you will get push back.

No it would be off to court for me ,put the CO on the stand, question him about how many hunters were charged, who initiated the process and even if your convicted I don't believe the penalty will be higher. I would then be firing off letters to the Minister and asking support from quess who the OFAH.

[MikePal]

You don't get fined in Canada for NOT VOTING but you can get whacked for a not filling out a form.

Well the Conservatives did a good deed and try to fix that, however the Liberals still think that you should be punished for not filling out a form.

The Liberals Thursday kept a campaign pledge by reinstating the long-form census, while avoiding discussion of penalties for those who don’t fill it out.


The Statistics Act includes a $500 fine or up to three months in prison for refusing to fill out the survey or providing false information.

It should be noted, again, that the CO was just acting as a 'bailiff'...delivering the fines on behalf of the MNR.

[finsfurfeathers]

No it would be off to court for me ,put the CO on the stand, question him about how many hunters were charged, who initiated the process and even if your convicted I don't believe the penalty will be higher. I would then be firing off letters to the Minister and asking support from quess who the OFAH.

So let me get this straight. As a former LEO you are recommending to blow off a mandatory reporting which may take 10 minutes of your time in favour of hours of court time and letter writing. Don't see how that is better than doing what you should be doing regardless if its mandatory or not. I believe a mans actions are his own responsibility so the argument that since others haven't report or been fined is hooey. Asked a cop once why I was given a speeding fine while other cars were zipping by on the 400 his response was " I can only catch 1 at a time. This time its you". No need to find fault in others or the system. Admit your guilt pay the fine be more responsible and attentive next time.

[Gilroy]

So let me get this straight. As a former LEO you are recommending to blow off a mandatory reporting which may take 10 minutes of your time in favour of hours of court time and letter writing. Don't see how that is better than doing what you should be doing regardless if its mandatory or not. I believe a mans actions are his own responsibility so the argument that since others haven't report or been fined is hooey. Asked a cop once why I was given a speeding fine while other cars were zipping by on the 400 his response was " I can only catch 1 at a time. This time its you". No need to find fault in others or the system. Admit your guilt pay the fine be more responsible and attentive next time.

I have the RIGHT to a fair trial and I choose to exercise that right period .The out of court settlement saves a person the bother of going to court. But the OP, myself and a lot of other readers feel there is a "point of principle" here.

Frankly I find it offensive that otherwise law abiding and responsible hunters are paying the price literally for the Mismanagement of the Moose herd by the MNR.

Maybe the CO,s should be using their time to catch poachers instead of "picking the low hanging fruit" by knocking on hunters doors.

Also I question the amount of the fine, there are a lot of more serious offences listed with much lesser fines.

The whole thing stinks and its a terrible way to try and elicit real information to manage the Moose population.

[trimmer21]

I have the RIGHT to a fair trial and I choose to exercise that right period .The out of court settlement saves a person the bother of going to court. But the OP, myself and a lot of other readers feel there is a "point of principle" here.

Frankly I find it offensive that otherwise law abiding and responsible hunters are paying the price literally for the Mismanagement of the Moose herd by the MNR.

Maybe the CO,s should be using their time to catch poachers instead of "picking the low hanging fruit" by knocking on hunters doors.

Also I question the amount of the fine, there are a lot of more serious offences listed with much lesser fines.

The whole thing stinks and its a terrible way to try and elicit real information to manage the Moose population.

Vaild points,all of them. It always made me wonder how many hunters routinely check off "NO" and "NO" ,hit "SEND" and forget about it whether they saw anything or used a tag or not. Like,who's to know after the fact and,even worse,who the hell cares?

[Hunter John]

I have the RIGHT to a fair trial and I choose to exercise that right period .The out of court settlement saves a person the bother of going to court. But the OP, myself and a lot of other readers feel there is a "point of principle" here.

Frankly I find it offensive that otherwise law abiding and responsible hunters are paying the price literally for the Mismanagement of the Moose herd by the MNR.

Maybe the CO,s should be using their time to catch poachers instead of "picking the low hanging fruit" by knocking on hunters doors.

Also I question the amount of the fine, there are a lot of more serious offences listed with much lesser fines.

The whole thing stinks and its a terrible way to try and elicit real information to manage the Moose population.

Holy Moly. I agree 100% with Gilroy. We gotta get together for fondue before the holidays. My treat.

[MikePal]

Frankly I find it offensive that otherwise law abiding and responsible hunters are paying the price literally for the Mismanagement of the Moose herd by the MNR.

Well there's a hole in that logic......you don't want to have mandatory reporting..then blame the MNR for not managing the moose, but they need the data from reports to help them manage the herd. They have already tried 'volunteer' reporting and only got a 6% return...so they made it mandatory with a fine for not complying.

Maybe the hunters should just do as they are asked by the MNR when they agree to buy a tag...don't like the rules, don't buy a tag..that'll teach them

[finsfurfeathers]

I have the RIGHT to a fair trial and I choose to exercise that right period .The out of court settlement saves a person the bother of going to court. But the OP, myself and a lot of other readers feel there is a "point of principle" here.

Frankly I find it offensive that otherwise law abiding and responsible hunters are paying the price literally for the Mismanagement of the Moose herd by the MNR.

Maybe the CO,s should be using their time to catch poachers instead of "picking the low hanging fruit" by knocking on hunters doors.

Also I question the amount of the fine, there are a lot of more serious offences listed with much lesser fines.

The whole thing stinks and its a terrible way to try and elicit real information to manage the Moose population.

Well there's a hole in that logic......you don't want to have mandatory reporting..then blame the MNR for not managing the moose, but they need the data from reports to help them manage the herd. They have already tried 'volunteer' reporting and only got a 6% return...so they made it mandatory with a fine for not complying.

Maybe the hunters should just do as they are asked by the MNR when they agree to buy a tag...don't like the rules, don't buy a tag..that'll teach them

Could not of said it better. Thankyou