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[MikePal]

It ripped a gouge all the way down his chin and blew a hole out the back of his brain stem the size of a tennis ball. Not a movement, run or quiver. That'll do

Sounds more like the results of good shot placement than bullet performance...

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Sounds more like the results of good shot placement than bullet performance...

Which is part of bullet (In this case bullet/sabots) performance. A large portion of which is pinpoint accuracy is it not? Lets be honest when a system is accurate enough to put a hole in a brain stem a darning needle hole will do. I have sometimes stood the ground of the big bang, big bore etc etc while others were saying performance was basically had once the bullet went exactly where it was placed. In this case I'd say placement, and actually Mike. I don't know if my 300 weath woulda left much more damage

[MikePal]

It ripped a gouge all the way down his chin and blew a hole out the back of his brain stem the size of a tennis ball. Not a movement, run or quiver. That'll do

I think any lead .45 (ML) bullet leaves a devastating trail of damage, especially when the shot hits the upper spine/neck. But your right that the combo of sabot/bullet leads to the accuracy needed to make a well placed shot. Package deal.

I shoot 4 different ML bullets and have used a variety of Black powders and Substitutes and all give me great accuracy with some tweaking and range time...so when it comes to a devastating shot like you describe...I lean more to shooter's performance than to bullet performance.

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Ah you're makin me blush

[jaycee]

Does Randy Fakeman still do mainly clown appearances at childrens parties? SERIOUSLY. That's what he did for quite a while. Spokesman for savage ML10's till savage told him to shut up. A good SST or scorpion will give the BC which by the way is elevated very slighly by a point on a bullet. As for load drag just use crush rib sabots.


http://www.randywakeman.com/20_Gauge...s_Compared.htm
http://randywakemanmagic.com/

As for Randy's input I'll take a pass. And the bullet won't do a thing you can't already. I just smacked a 190 field dressed buck with 85 grs of BH209 under an orig 300 XTP in crush rib sabot looking at me at 120. It ripped a gouge all the way down his chin and blew a hole out the back of his brain stem the size of a tennis ball. Not a movement, run or quiver. That'll do

I know a fellow that does "Clown Appearances " for kids, and some "magic tricks " because he enjoys it , does this mean he is not a knowledgeable man in his chosen field of work as a " chemical engineer " ?

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Not at all. Prob is when Randy Fakeman takes exception with every word out of Toby Bridge's mouth. Ya Toby a guy who does ONLY GUNS. You'll forgive me if I go for advice to a surgeon and not a surgeon/shoe salesman, and. When the surgeon/shoe salesman don't agree with the surgeon/surgeon many times my desire to subscribe to any of his notions wanes considerably. In short I've been on to many of Mr Fakeman's rides. Here's just one. First a muzzle loader gets too much umph from a 209 so You must get special breech plugs to take a 25ACP case with a small pistol primer. Next thing out of his mouth he's writing about how we need 209's hotter than WW makes. All over the place. Savage was right to ignore and down play any connection to him. I would suggest if you don't want to find yourself chasing your tale you follow suit

[MikePal]

First a muzzle loader gets too much umph from a 209 so You must get special breech plugs to take a 25ACP case with a small pistol primer. Next thing out of his mouth he's writing about how we need 209's hotter than WW makes.

Wasn't that over time across different powders Standup; ...it was common knowledge that originally a standard 209 primer was to much for a T7 load. So they made 'weaker' primers....problem solved. Then they came out with BH209 and the 'weak' primers weren't able to ignite it, so they had to go back to the original shotgun 209 primers ?

[isartw]

Wasn't that over time across different powders Standup; ...it was common knowledge that originally a standard 209 primer was to much for a T7 load. So they made 'weaker' primers....problem solved. Then they came out with BH209 and the 'weak' primers weren't able to ignite it, so they had to go back to the original shotgun 209 primers ?

Nope, they came to modified breech plug.
This is regular one http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...-CVA1611BH.jpg
This is BH 209 one https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/media...ac1611_1_3.jpg.
When I was on BH 209, I was playing with 209 primers such as green remington(weaker ones), federal, CCI, winchester. I have both breach plugs for my accra, BH modified and regular. Regular plug with strongest winchester primer didn't come close to remington primer and modified plug. Best results I had with:
1. T7, green weak remington primer, regular plug;
2. BH 209, CCI primer and modified breach plug.
I found those combinations most consistent.

[standup]

Wasn't that over time across different powders Standup; ...it was common knowledge that originally a standard 209 primer was to much for a T7 load. So they made 'weaker' primers....problem solved. Then they came out with BH209 and the 'weak' primers weren't able to ignite it, so they had to go back to the original shotgun 209 primers ?

This is true, and personally I would subscribe to that. He flipped and flopped while still on the T7 . When speaking to the same powder it's one way or da udder. Like I said, he did that with savage ML's and countless other topics. I'm sure it's fine and even fun when in a clown act, but. Not so much in a guns and ammo write up

[standup]

Nope, they came to modified breech plug.
This is regular one http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...-CVA1611BH.jpg
This is BH 209 one https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/media...ac1611_1_3.jpg.
When I was on BH 209, I was playing with 209 primers such as green remington(weaker ones), federal, CCI, winchester. I have both breach plugs for my accra, BH modified and regular. Regular plug with strongest winchester primer didn't come close to remington primer and modified plug. Best results I had with:
1. T7, green weak remington primer, regular plug;
2. BH 209, CCI primer and modified breach plug.
I found those combinations most consistent.

Like I said. I just throw in the BH, a crush rib on an XTP. Throw er on the buffalo sticks at 75 and put em in one hole. I guess I could fool with that given how boring it is or ​NOT
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