Blood Trail??

[Duckguy]

sometimes you have a CO or cop just looking to enforce the law. i had a cop drive by my van parked and noticed that it was posted private. the landowner was not home so he went to the neighbour (who i didn't know). turned out that the bush was shared, so the cop himself instigated the charge. neighbour had no issue with me hunting so cop wished me well and drove off. i always like to think the best of law enforcement but am aware that sometimes they're just looking to do their job-- which means enforcing the law.

i'm interested to hear how this pans out.

Could also be considered proactive policing....which is nice to see.

Maybe they had a complaint about trespassing in the area.

[seabast]

Hi everyone. I am new to this forum, and I need some help. I am currently being investigated and assume will be charged due to an incident that occurred about a week ago. I was deer hunting on property I was permitted to hunt on. I called in a small buck and using a crossbow, shot an arrow into his front shoulder as he was directly facing me. Not an ideal shot, I realize, but it was lethal. To make a long story short, the deer ran into the adjacent vacant lot (50 ft) away and died. I was then reported to the adjacent landowner by a "fellow" hunter who didn't want me hunting in his general area. The MNR came and I showed them exactly what happened, and was 100 percent cooperative. I honestly did not think it was a big deal. I didn't hide anything, as in my mind there was nothing wrong. Unbelievably, the canines were brought in and DNA samples were also collected (an amazing waste of government resources). I was then told I was not telling the truth, as the dogs are always right. I explained to the CO that sometimes when a deer is hit, especially the way I hit this deer, that they sometimes do not bleed for some distance. This wasn't possible in his opinion. So they took my deer, and now I am awaiting a court trial and it looks like a bunch of charges as they don't believe me. Frustrating to say the least. If any of you could share times you have not found any blood on a lethal shot, or, if you have had experience with this type of nonsense. Any advice or experience you could provide would help me defend myself. I am going to fight this to the bitter end. Thirty years of hunting and never even a warning! Thanks!


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Dont worry about the dog BS, it won't mean anything unless someone saw you shot that deer on next door property!?
I'm not blaming you but you did trespass, right or wrong that's the rules so you'll get charge for that.

And don't waste your time with some of the member on this website, must of them never had to retrieve a deer or they would understand that unfortunately some situations call for tresspassing.

[seabast]

Who is the complainant charging you with trespassing?..... No mention of the owner doing it.

I'm wonder too! Sounds like the owner wants him charged.

[Rugger]

First of all it sounds like the CO's totally went overboard on this one, yes it appears that trespassing occurred but the reaction seems overboard.

Here's the part I don't really understand (and the part you might want to have clear if/when you need to go to court)

You shot a deer on property you had permission to hunt. It traveled 50ft and ended up on the neighboring property. The property line is not well marked (?).
Questions:
1. How do you know you were actually on the property you thought you were on?
2. How does the other side know the deer fell on the neighboring property?
-did they find the pegs?

Now as far as the criticism goes when you throw something out to the public you have to expect some blowback, nature of the beast. However if you plan to hunt less than 50ft from a property line I think you should expect that there is a good chance that you will need to retrieve an animal from the neighboring property so getting permission to do so ahead of time is not that unreasonable.

[rick_iles]

sometimes you have a CO or cop just looking to enforce the law. i had a cop drive by my van parked and noticed that it was posted private. the landowner was not home so he went to the neighbour (who i didn't know). turned out that the bush was shared, so the cop himself instigated the charge. neighbour had no issue with me hunting so cop wished me well and drove off. i always like to think the best of law enforcement but am aware that sometimes they're just looking to do their job-- which means enforcing the law.

i'm interested to hear how this pans out.

Of course they are looking to enforce the laws. That's what they do !!!!

[stragglelake]

You have to realize that law enforcement is all about creating a need for there services to keep there " business " thriving. If the wardens are not charging people and the OPP are not ticketing people then there is obviously less of a need for them, so more tickets and charges means the public " needs " us more. Which translates into bigger budgets.
It's unfortunate that they felt they needed 3 Officers and 3 trucks to come and steal your dear and serve a single ticket. It must have been embarrassing for you and your family.


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[Duckguy]

Doesn't say anywhere he was served a ticket. As for the rest of your post it makes about zero sense.

[MikePal]

First of all it sounds like the CO's totally went overboard on this one, yes it appears that trespassing occurred but the reaction seems overboard.

The other side of the story may shed some light on the actions of the CO...should hear it before we criticize them.

[SK33T3R]

HERE'S ONE FOR YA!

An older Italian gentleman (now deceased) (I knew him well) was raided by the cops and accused of bootlegging wine. He had something like 10,000 liters. Everyone went to him for wine. (yes he was somewhat guilty) Anyway the cops seized his wine and he was charged. Months later - he beat the charges because he said it was for his own consumption. The crown returned his wine to him. He told them it had all gone bad and sued the crown for the value of the wine. He won again and got - like $80,000 ..
we all laughed like h*ll! He said it was the biggest sale he ever had!

However your case ends up - especially if you beat it. demand your deer returned! If they can not produce it then sue for the value of venison on the open market.

It sure boggles the mind that they can bully their way in the way they did. 3 trucks. 3 officers. confiscations - 2 days later - in front of your family and little girl ....
If they can embarrass you in your town like that ..

my suggestion is - fight it!

[standup]

The other side of the story may shed some light on the actions of the CO...should hear it before we criticize them.

PM sent. Take it to the JP. Get a little common sense in that recipe