At the end of the day, it is not Trudou that has me worried; it's Wynne. The minute Quebec stands up the Prov GR, and starts to charge every gun owner fees, the flood gates will open. If she can find a way to please the tree huggers, and turn a profit, we are screwed. Every dime she can extort into the Liberal purse she will. And to be honest, it won't be hard. All they will do is create a whole bunch of ATT, storage, transport laws, enforced locally. All the PAL info is common knowledge. If they word it correctly, they will not even need probable cause or a search warrant. Hire a few by-law officers under public safety rules, conduct random inspections, a few road checks. Any violations will not end up as a Criminal Code violation, but a fine and possible confiscation until payed. If it leads to a CC violation, then she get a double win. And once your discoverd once, for any infraction, then you may be eligible for further inspections to keep the public safe. If they create a LGR, then same thing. You may say they can't fine what they can't see. So you leave 9 out of 10 not registered. They never leave the safe. You get stopped on a back road coming out a goose field. LOOK, my firearm is registered. Oh good they say, do you have any more, WELL no SIR, just the one. Well then you won't mind if we sent the by-law over for a random inspection then. And that my friends is how then can do it for almost next to nothing, and reap huge rewards.
I hope I am just being a glass half empty kinda guy, but this current mind set will set us back years. As far as the gov't sees it, no guns, no problem. The only guys who will suffer is the honest ones.
She will see an oppurtunity to hire thousands more civil servants and add more high paid supervisory jobs legacy costs and will be all over that. They will vote for her. It will be spun as a user pay scheme paid for by gun owners.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
At the end of the day, it is not Trudou that has me worried; it's Wynne. The minute Quebec stands up the Prov GR, and starts to charge every gun owner fees, the flood gates will open. If she can find a way to please the tree huggers, and turn a profit, we are screwed. Every dime she can extort into the Liberal purse she will. And to be honest, it won't be hard. All they will do is create a whole bunch of ATT, storage, transport laws, enforced locally. All the PAL info is common knowledge. If they word it correctly, they will not even need probable cause or a search warrant. Hire a few by-law officers under public safety rules, conduct random inspections, a few road checks. Any violations will not end up as a Criminal Code violation, but a fine and possible confiscation until payed. If it leads to a CC violation, then she get a double win. And once your discoverd once, for any infraction, then you may be eligible for further inspections to keep the public safe. If they create a LGR, then same thing. You may say they can't fine what they can't see. So you leave 9 out of 10 not registered. They never leave the safe. You get stopped on a back road coming out a goose field. LOOK, my firearm is registered. Oh good they say, do you have any more, WELL no SIR, just the one. Well then you won't mind if we sent the by-law over for a random inspection then. And that my friends is how then can do it for almost next to nothing, and reap huge rewards.
I hope I am just being a glass half empty kinda guy, but this current mind set will set us back years. As far as the gov't sees it, no guns, no problem. The only guys who will suffer is the honest ones.
Waterrat,youir imagination is very vivid....and seriously working overtime.LOL
Guns in Canada are so far down the list of things anyone should be concerned about.
Yep.... but once Parliament starts, how many DAYS before he gets down the list... I would say the first or second month... definitely less than 100 days into the new year.
Taxes
Unemployment
Environment (wrong priorities and waste)
Corruption
National policy
... 6. and warming up in the bullpen..... the Australian model on firearms... http://news.nationalpost.com/news/we...d-20-years-ago
Pushed through by John Howard, the conservative prime minister at the time, the National Firearms Agreement prohibited automatic and semi-automatic assault rifles and pump shotguns, in all but unusual cases. It tightened licensing rules, established a 28-day waiting period for gun purchases, created a national gun registry, and instituted a temporary buyback program that removed more than 20 per cent of firearms from public circulation.
Resolution from the Liberal put forward by the Liberal youth... that seems to have lost only because it would have cost them votes at the time....
151. Fewer Guns, Less Violence
WHEREAS evidence demonstrates a clear relationship between the number of firearms in a society and the number of firearm-related homicides and suicides;
WHEREAS gun violence in our urban and suburban centres remains a significant threat to public safety;
WHEREAS incidents of firearm-related crimes, deaths and injuries decrease when access to firearms is combined with effective policies that keep firearms out of the hands of those who would use them to for such purposes;
WHEREAS the Australian Conservative government of John Howard successfully reduced the number of firearms in that country through proactive initiatives such as gun buybacks which led to decreases in the rates of firearm-related crimes, homicides and suicides;
BE IT RESOLVED that the primary objective of a Liberal government firearms policy shall be reducing the number of firearms in Canada through initiatives inspired by the Australian model.
Young Liberals of Canada
http://www.saskatchewanhunts.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=5781
They have a point, less firearms, less firearm deaths... doesn't mean it changes the crime and death rate though...
Not that I agree with the Australian firearms laws, because I want to keep my semi- autos, but just a couple of facts. Since 1996 when the firearms laws were changed, the firearms homicide rate fell 59% , and the firearms suicide rate fell by 65%, WITHOUT a parallel increase in non-firearms homicides and suicides. But the facts of 59% and 65% drops, respectfully is nothing to sneeze at. This was reported by The Washington Post, so it is not Australians saying this to toot their own horn.
Last edited by fishermccann; December 5th, 2015 at 09:33 PM.
I think it would be real neat if we stopped attacking people whose views don't match the conventional wisdom as trolls. Particularly when they are long-standing members of the board.
Now, with that out of the way....
Originally Posted by amjeep
My questions are: how many crimes in Canada involved a firearm? How many were a long gun or bow? How many were in restricted or prohibited firearms? Now how many that involved a firearm where committed from a licenced and/or registered gun owner? How many firearms where stolen from a "law abiding citizen" where used in a crime? Now what about all the rest that where committed with an illegally acquired firearm (smuggled into the country, etc)?
StatsCan does not regularly report in detail on firearms crime. I believe the last report was in 2007, using 2006 data. Which I happen to have on my hard drive, because that's the kind of thing I happen to have on my hard drive.
In 2006, there were 8,105 firearms-related violent crimes in Canada. (27.5 per 100,000 population.) Firearms accounted for 36% of attempted murders and 31% of homicides. At that time, the rate of firearms violent crimes had been steady since about 1998. Before that time, it was falling. In the 1970s and early 1980s, most murders in Canada were with guns (and most of those, with long guns); in 1985, knife murders overtook firearms murders. There has also been a steady decline in the proportion of robberies committed with firearms.
Two thirds of firearms violent crimes were committed with handguns. The rate of long gun-related firearms violent crimes has fallen from 0.8/100,000 in 1975 to 0.1/100,000 in 2006. Handguns overtook long guns as murder weapons in 1991.
StatsCan did not report what proportion of these crimes were committed by licensed owners. That data may not actually be available without individually going through all the police reports. However, about half of gun murders are gang-related. Although gun owners hate to admit it, licensed owners often commit violent gun crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the long gun related violent crime in Canada involved licensed owners, and most of the handgun crime, unlicensed owners.
The proportion of crime guns that is smuggled fluctuates, partly because of random chance and partly because the black market in guns reacts to enforcement pressure. As enforcement makes smuggling riskier, the market shifts to domestic sources; as domestic guns get harder to find, the market shifts back to smuggling. It has been estimated until recently that 70 - 90% of handguns used in urban crime (which is mostly gang-related) are smuggled. Very recently, there has been a spike in the recovery of guns from domestic sources in Toronto (perhaps related to a straw-buy scheme that was busted).
So there are at least some of your answers. As to gun control affecting mainly the law abiding, ask yourself why gangs smuggle guns, paying $1500 in Toronto for a gun that cost the smuggler $150. Also, why guns are used in 12% of robberies in Canada, vs. 43% of robberies in the US (2010 data). Whether we like to admit it or not, gun control does work ... the problem is striking the right balance (and the fact that nobody in politics seems to want to strike a balance).
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