Hydro?????

[Fox]

$140 hydro bill, we go all out about using as minimal as possible, but we only have $50 in hydro charges, the rest is delivery, fees and taxes, wow.

[Loony]

Guess I can't complain, mine never gets above $100 a month, no kids.

[B Wilson]

I am looking for a 10kv diesel generator. With $0.90 / litre diesel, I can produce power cheaper than I can buy it from the liberals.

[DGearyFTE]

I am looking for a 10kv diesel generator. With $0.90 / litre diesel, I can produce power cheaper than I can buy it from the liberals.

I am considering the same approach but fortunately I have natural gas so that is my go to option.

[BIG MAC]

For the people thinking of going this route and have electric appliances ''dryer, stove etc. I would run the generator while those heavy usage appliances are running, you might want to check out the TSC stores line of Generators, they come with the auto transfer switches,,,,,,,,,,,,talked to one of the Dealers for Generac and he said he can buy them cheaper there than he can from the Maufactuer.


Hate to say this but this will be the way of the future and years down the road you"ll see them popping up in your neighborhood...

I am considering the same approach but fortunately I have natural gas so that is my go to option.

[LowbanksArcher]

I am looking for a 10kv diesel generator. With $0.90 / litre diesel, I can produce power cheaper than I can buy it from the liberals.

I'd love to see some numbers on the payback period going this route. By my math, based on an 12kw generac propane unit consuming 8 lites/hr, it just doesn't make sense. (propane @ $0.45-0.50/litre around here)

[Fox]

I'd love to see some numbers on the payback period going this route. By my math, based on an 12kw generac propane unit consuming 8 lites/hr, it just doesn't make sense. (propane @ $0.45-0.50/litre around here)

This is the problem, it does not make sense, it is still cheaper to stay with Hydro, even with the price going up. If you consider the cost of a generac, the installation, the certifications to keep your insurance valid you are probably in at almost $10K, lets drop that down $8K to be cheap on the install of a massive 220V line from your generator to your panel. Without even considering the cost of fuel you are looking at almost 2 years to pay it off if you disconnect from the grid, if you stay connected to the grid. If you stay connected to the grid you will be paying for that line no matter what, even if you have no usage.

[LowbanksArcher]

This is the problem, it does not make sense, it is still cheaper to stay with Hydro, even with the price going up. If you consider the cost of a generac, the installation, the certifications to keep your insurance valid you are probably in at almost $10K, lets drop that down $8K to be cheap on the install of a massive 220V line from your generator to your panel. Without even considering the cost of fuel you are looking at almost 2 years to pay it off if you disconnect from the grid, if you stay connected to the grid. If you stay connected to the grid you will be paying for that line no matter what, even if you have no usage.

That's what i'm thinking too. My average hydro bill lately (which has doubled over the past few years), is $120/month. That's 5 1/2 years to pay for an $8000 generator/automatic transfer switch/wiring/installation, without ANY fuel cost. However, a 12kw unit running at half load (8 litres/hour), would consume $120 of propane in 30 hrs. (30hrs x 8L/hr x $0.50/litre = $120). That's 7hrs of power generation per week. The wife will not be happy.

[line052]

Still say this...

Off the grid ideal for me
100+ Acres of woodlot, with couple to “farm” (grow vegies)
<1200 sq foot house (Ranch)
Wood/Water heat
8-10K solar power not grid connected (ground mount adjustable to solar gain)

• 3000W pure inverter
• MPPT controller
• All room disconnect able by switch

Propane stove, Propane dryer (when needed), propane hot water. Back up propane furnace.
Biggest propane tank you can get and pay delivery to you or twice a year…for what you actually use….
All LED lighting
10K diesel generator in out building which double as “barn/storage”. Used only during high draw needs (family/parties) and monthly battery equalization for battery pack.
South situated home, with a stream if possible, swamp land or duck pond.
Land located in township that is not incorporated or little tax base.

[Fox]

Still say this...

Off the grid ideal for me
100+ Acres of woodlot, with couple to “farm” (grow vegies)
<1200 sq foot house (Ranch)
Wood/Water heat
8-10K solar power not grid connected (ground mount adjustable to solar gain)

• 3000W pure inverter
• MPPT controller
• All room disconnect able by switch

Propane stove, Propane dryer (when needed), propane hot water. Back up propane furnace.
Biggest propane tank you can get and pay delivery to you or twice a year…for what you actually use….
All LED lighting
10K diesel generator in out building which double as “barn/storage”. Used only during high draw needs (family/parties) and monthly battery equalization for battery pack.
South situated home, with a stream if possible, swamp land or duck pond.
Land located in township that is not incorporated or little tax base.

The perfect idea if you are designed around off the grid and not looking to sell at any point, without a hydro hookup selling your house will be almost impossible, you will need to find that exact right person.

Our plan at the moment is to setup a 15A line to our "farm" section of the property and only use it when needed while using solar for an electric fence and potentially wind power for extra storage/possible secondary well.