A divided nation

[fishermccann]

This pic is a spoof, but it pretty well fulfills your ideology.
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Many people who work hard for more than 40 hours a week, cannot afford nutritious meals , a warm place to sleep, or a higher education. Is this right, when so many others have more than they could use in 50 lifetimes? I am not talking about those who refuse to work, but those who do work hard and still do not have a 'life'.

[fratri]

Many people who work hard for more than 40 hours a week, cannot afford nutritious meals , a warm place to sleep, or a higher education. Is this right, when so many others have more than they could use in 50 lifetimes? I am not talking about those who refuse to work, [COLOR=#FF0000][COLOR=#FF0000]but those who do work hard and still do not have a 'life'.

Those are the ones that have been let down the most by this Country.

[sawbill]

How do you figure that? Poor career choices or life style choices aren't the responsibility of a government. Most people who do work hard for the 40 hour work week do have a very satisfactory standard of life.

[Species8472]

Many people who work hard for more than 40 hours a week, cannot afford nutritious meals , a warm place to sleep, or a higher education. Is this right, when so many others have more than they could use in 50 lifetimes? I am not talking about those who refuse to work, but those who do work hard and still do not have a 'life'.

I have no problem helping those who need a leg up. The problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff and preventing the freeloaders from abusing the system. There is no country in the world now or in the past that has gotten this right.

[Species8472]

How do you figure that? Poor career choices or life style choices aren't the responsibility of a government. Most people who do work hard for the 40 hour work week do have a very satisfactory standard of life.

I think this statement is pretty accurate.

[fishermccann]

Not at minimum wage , close to any city, they don't.

[Species8472]

Not at minimum wage , close to any city, they don't.

If they have dependants I would agree. If they are a single adult with no dependants than I disagree.

[seabast]

How do you figure that? Poor career choices or life style choices aren't the responsibility of a government. Most people who do work hard for the 40 hour work week do have a very satisfactory standard of life.

I think this statement is pretty accurate.

I think it's a wrong statement.
Not everyone is born with the same chance, or can be a teacher and have a safe job, some manufacturing needs to be done in Canada (15$/hour job) and not everyone can live in the city. In small city/town couple get layoff and that's when things goes down hill.
Now, do I really care? Not really but at least I see it and I'm honest.

And, many people on here live a time where job opportunity was easy, a smart and hard worker will succeed, noiw a day it isn't the same at all. And who's fault is it? The older generation or the younger one? Who let that change happen? Who got played out?

[MarkB]

Many people who work hard for more than 40 hours a week, cannot afford nutritious meals , a warm place to sleep, or a higher education. Is this right, when so many others have more than they could use in 50 lifetimes? I am not talking about those who refuse to work, but those who do work hard and still do not have a 'life'.

I almost agree with you. The one thing I think we need to stop is penalizing those that have because we envy their situation. There are people who work hard, maybe you can argue are little lucky, and make some good money. We cannot argue helping those in need, by waging war on those that have worked hard and are succesful. It is not their sole responsibility, and they have done no crime to deserve isolating them and making them responsible for everything. I am 100% against penalizing succesful people by over-taxing them. You work your butt off to make money, and then someone can come and take it all away? Not a very good recipe for success. Everyone will just say, screw it, and not put in the effort. Then what does society become?

I do though support helping those who have worked hard all their lives and are struggling to make ends meet. However, what if they want the $10,000 trip each year to Hawaii, what if they are over-spending?? We need to ensure the struggle isn't their own doing. I have total sympathy for a single parent and/or with a child with special needs. Life has thrown them a bad bone, and that's when society needs to step up AS A NATION and say we want to help, this is what our nation is all about.

But, leave the "haves" out of the "haves not" discussion. The "haves" have what they have because they worked hard for it.

[fishermccann]

We all know of some haves who have never really worked for anything in their entire life, they are 3rd or 4th or 5th generation of haves, whose great grandfather invented some widget way back when, and they have lived off it for generations. Many-most times being rich is an accident of birth, not hard work.