US v/s Them... (us?)

[jaycee]

Not to hijack this thread but, with reference to the "Enigma Machine" the code was actually broken by "Poles" ,

German military messages enciphered on the Enigma machine were first broken by the Polish Cipher Bureau, beginning in December 1932. This success was a result of efforts by three Polish cryptologists, Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski, working for Polish military intelligence. Rejewski reverse-engineered the device, using theoretical mathematics and material supplied by French military intelligence. Subsequently the three mathematicians designed mechanical devices for breaking Enigma ciphers, including the cryptologic bomb. From 1938 onwards, additional complexity was repeatedly added to the Enigma machines, making decryption more difficult and requiring further equipment and personnel—more than the Poles could readily produce.
On 26 and 27 July 1939,^[3] in Pyry near Warsaw, the Poles initiated French and British military intelligence representatives into their Enigma-decryption techniques and equipment, including Zygalski sheets and the cryptologic bomb, and promised each delegation a Polish-reconstructed Enigma. The demonstration represented a vital basis for the later British continuation and effort.^[4] During the war, British cryptologists decrypted a vast number of messages enciphered on Enigma. The intelligence gleaned from this source, codenamed "Ultra" by the British, was a substantial aid to the Allied war effort.<sup>[

There are many references to this fact in the books that I have about WW II.</sup>

[JBen]

Neat tidbit about the poles Jaycee.
Recall reading something about the war time aspect that theorized it shortened the war by (want to say) 2 years, and may have saved tens of thousands of lives.

[sawbill]

There was no 'may' about it. Entire convoys were rerouted to bypass sub wolfpacks and I've always viewed winning the battle of the Atlantic the start of Germanys defeat.

[Snowwalker]

[QUOTE=trimmer21;965741]

Maybe,we should order Russian MiGS. That would suit the Liberal crowd quite nicely,then,wouldn't it?

Migs are good Aircraft, they are equal and at least equal enough to any main stream combat Aircraft flown by NATO, AND the Americans.

Over Korea, and Viet Nam they counted for a lot of dead US airmen when seated by a good pilot. Good Russian and Canadian pilots have taken the strut out of a few American flyers over the years.

[trimmer21]

[QUOTE=Snowwalker;965767]

Migs are good Aircraft, they are equal and at least equal enough to any main stream combat Aircraft flown by NATO, AND the Americans.

Over Korea, and Viet Nam they counted for a lot of dead US airmen when seated by a good pilot. Good Russian and Canadian pilots have taken the strut out of a few American flyers over the years.

Other alternative that would fit our Air Force well are the French Mirage and Saab,esentially,anything with dual burners,that's fast,agile and can carry a devastating payload. Boeing and Northrup Grumann aren't the only game in town.

[Snowwalker]

[QUOTE=trimmer21;965792]

Other alternative that would fit our Air Force well are the French Mirage and Saab,esentially,anything with dual burners,that's fast,agile and can carry a devastating payload. Boeing and Northrup Grumann aren't the only game in town.

Nice to have to the dealer next door and not across the ocean if trouble starts. Be BEST to have the factory in the backyard, but I can't see our government ripping up the agreement and telling the US to bite a big one.

[trimmer21]

[QUOTE=Snowwalker;965828]

Nice to have to the dealer next door and not across the ocean if trouble starts. Be BEST to have the factory in the backyard, but I can't see our government ripping up the agreement and telling the US to bite a big one.

You're probably right,but,you never know,agreements are cancelled all the time,right?