Is this a JOKE!!! (bear)

[Dude Bro]

I actually have the 2015 table of second bear seals. Not sure if I can attach a pdf here tho

[Dude Bro]

2015 Second Seal - Table.pdf

Try this.

[sawbill]

Sktr, I'll concede if you buy.
I do agree that most people who get extra tags don't use them and if they did it probably wouldn't make much difference in the overall harvest for that year. It wouldn't hurt the population one bit.
If you go back to the time when additional licences for bears were eliminated completely a big part of the reason given was that the government wanted to project the image of black bear as being a respectable game animal. So money wasn't the issue back then. It is now but the sale of a few more tags sure won't bail them out of the financial hole they're in now.
If bears were as prolific as deer then I'd be for more tags but around here at least the population is at best, stable. Its easy to manage a stable population but just as easy to upset it. I'm for leaving well enough alone.

[SK33T3R]

2015 Second Seal - Table.pdf

Try this.

BIG THANK YOU - Now just need to find out from MNR how many they actually sold and also how many were actually placed on a bear as a secondary tag. If the hunter only used this extra tag and not his first then WTF??? it's a wash!



Total Game Seals:Northwest Region – 181; Northeast Region – 198; Southern Region – 30. Ontario
total - 409

Wildlife Management Units Offering Resident Black Bear Second Game Seals WMU	Number of Second Game Seals Available	District	Region
1C	10	Sioux Lookout	Northwest
2	6	Red Lake	Northwest
6	5	Kenora	Northwest
7A	3	Kenora	Northwest
7B	5	Kenora	Northwest
11B	12	Thunder Bay	Northwest
13	37	Thunder Bay	Northwest
14	5	Nipigon	Northwest
15B	10	Thunder Bay	Northwest
16A	10	Sioux Lookout	Northwest
16B	10	Sioux Lookout	Northwest
16C	10	Thunder Bay	Northwest
17	10	Nipigon	Northwest
18A	10	Nipigon	Northwest
18B	10	Nipigon	Northwest
19	5	Nipigon	Northwest
21A	10	Nipigon	Northwest
24	50	Hearst	Northeast
26	75	Cochrane	Northeast
27	20	Cochrane	Northeast
37	13	Sault Ste. Marie	Northeast
38	25	Sudbury	Northeast
43B	15	Sudbury	Northeast
47	30	Parry Sound	Southern

[Greenhorn]

We're allowed two tags in N. B.,I buy the extra tag but hardly ever use it. I only hunt when the meat is getting low. I know most of the locals only shoot 1 bear.
I know in N. B. They Only want 3,500 Bears shot/ year,but will sell up to 5,000 tags. In the fall, you can buy a second tag until they reach their cut off point. 85% on the Bears are killed by non residence and I believe Ontario is similar.

[gowbushkon]

You don't have to worry about the non-residents shooting all the bears, some area outfitters have been told by the MNR how many hunters they can book for the bear hunt, according to the MNR bear population is down.

[sawbill]

Its funny you mentioned that. It was about 10 or 15 years ago when MNR was considering putting quotas on outfitters in Sudbury and Chapleau districts. That shows a concern about bear populations that far back on only lends to my argument about additional tags.

[35wailin]

Some of those seem very arbitrary. 3? 3 extra seals available? lol

I had similar thoughts. Sudbury has WMUs 38, 39, 41 and 42 with the borders either intersecting within city limits or or very close to the city. We had an extraordinary year in 2015 for nuisance bears. NO extra tags there? Doesn't make sense.

43 b is Manitoulin Island, where bears have been historically non-existent. Now they get 15 surplus tags?

im not sure off hand what WMUs surround Timmins, north bay and the sault, but I don't see many surplus tags around there either.

[35wailin]

You don't have to worry about the non-residents shooting all the bears, some area outfitters have been told by the MNR how many hunters they can book for the bear hunt, according to the MNR bear population is down.

I think the MNRF bear biologists have been dipping into Justin Trudeau's glaucoma medication...

[sawbill]

Just announced on tonights 6:00PM news that there will be a quota on bears for outfitters.
The outfitter who was interviewed says he was just now advised of this change and suspects there are many outfitters that yet have no idea about this. Most of these guys would have filled their bookings by now.
This is absurd public relations. MNR has their heads so far up their butts and deserve to be soundly criticized.