Is this a JOKE!!! (bear)

[rippin_355]

Some didnt even get told about the spring hunt being back on!

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[SK33T3R]

The demand for 2nd tags by residents hunters just does not seem to be that large. BUT there are some die-hard, dedicated guys that just might spend a few more days afield if there was 2nd tags available for all units. I have been hunting bears both spring and fall since I started back in the late 80's. I can tell everyone far and wide that the bear population is up. So why is the MNR puzzy footin around on this issue. Most of the areas where 2nd tags are currently issued are not where a majority of the guys hunt. I cannot fully understand, not today, not yesterday, and not tomorrow - Why the MNR just doesn't issue extra tags to all units and actually have some hard data in the end to digest and analyze. Without hard facts and data everything else is guessing and dreaming.

I would suggest and fully support 2nd tags to residents only in all units.

Bad news for the outfitters! It's pretty hard to run a business with a muzzle on. The outfitter should be the most knowledgable person in his/her BMA. Overharvesting will only hurt themselves - they should know better and they do! This resource is being micro-managed up the wazzoo!

[skull]

Just announced on tonights 6:00PM news that there will be a quota on bears for outfitters.
The outfitter who was interviewed says he was just now advised of this change and suspects there are many outfitters that yet have no idea about this. Most of these guys would have filled their bookings by now.
This is absurd public relations. MNR has their heads so far up their butts and deserve to be soundly criticized.

Is the quota based on square kilometres

[bigr]

But they keep telling us we have sustainable numbers????
Why then are we sticking it to outfitters? Hummmm......

I need more proof that this is the case.

[skull]

http://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=854619

[bigr]

I see. A quota so we don't have a free for all.

I can support management and as I have stated in the past, bear management should be WMU specific like any big game animal. Tags given out in Sudbury should not match tags or hunts in Kingston.

Now the reasonable complaint should be, how they justify there numbers to determine the tags given to outfitters AND residents in a given WMU. its not a quota.

[sawbill]

Quotas are based on bear density per sq km. Multiply that by the number of sq km in a specific BMA and you get a quota.

[chris lavoie]

In 2009 they announced there were going to be changes. They are going to add all the form 33's for an outfitter for the past 3 years. Then average out the numbers to work out how many he will get.

Many outfitters already have been called that there forms are ready for this year.

Unfortunately, the outfitter in the clip, was put on quota for some reason or another.

Laura from NOTO, knows nothing about this. She has some meetings next week with the OMNR.

[skull]

Quotas are based on bear density per sq km. Multiply that by the number of sq km in a specific BMA and you get a quota.

So the poor guy with only a couple hundred square kilometres of BMA his history

[chris lavoie]

They threw out the 1 per 50 a few years back.

I have paper work that states that the only reason they chose the 1 per 50 was because they didn't do their studies in any other directions. They ran out of money for other studies and just said 1 per 50.

For a guy who recently purchased his outfitting business, he will automatically be put on a quota. In 1988, when they doled out BMA's, there was MANY MANY outfitters. So they ended up with areas too small for a proper bear hunt.