Is this a JOKE!!! (bear)

[chris lavoie]

Just had my meeting. What they did was take my last 3 years and averaged it out. Was not 1 per 50 or 1 per 70.

I lost some, I will have to send deposits back. But it could've been worse!!!

Next year is a different story though!!! BIG changes in allotment for next year. Outfitters need to prepare themselves.

Thanks Sawbill, Skull and OFAH for this info, I would not have known ahead of time.

[skull]

Just had my meeting. What they did was take my last 3 years and averaged it out. Was not 1 per 50 or 1 per 70.

I lost some, I will have to send deposits back. But it could've been worse!!!

Next year is a different story though!!! BIG changes in allotment for next year. Outfitters need to prepare themselves.

Thanks Sawbill, Skull and OFAH for this info, I would not have known ahead of time.

Chris send me a PM

[trappermatt]

Just had my meeting. What they did was take my last 3 years and averaged it out. Was not 1 per 50 or 1 per 70.

I lost some, I will have to send deposits back. But it could've been worse!!!

Next year is a different story though!!! BIG changes in allotment for next year. Outfitters need to prepare themselves.

Thanks Sawbill, Skull and OFAH for this info, I would not have known ahead of time.

Less or more allotment?

[chris lavoie]

Have to see what the harvest for 2016. She said to be prepared for less.

[skull]

SK33t3R Buy outfitter business and then we'll talk
I have tried but there isn't a BMA where I hunt
do you have an idea how many people I have they shot 100 pound bear and they were so happy and come back the following year
I agree entirely BUT for you to keep your business viable with these new quota's something has to change.
not everybody can afford $3000 hunt
Agree again - but how do you justify the investment in time/effort and money to give out cheap hunts on a quota.
Not everybody is a trophy Hunter
Agree again! wholeheartedly - but working man priced bear hunts with the quota will mean you're working for free.
The bottom line is they screw up the whole Hunting industry in Ontario and will never going to be the same
BINGO! This statement is everything in a nut shell!


Why don't you guys live trap 10 or 20 bears and bring them down to Toronto and let them go!

We Can agree and disagree on things here but will never going to change nothing
If you live in Ontario is the wrong province for hunting friendly
I have been on it since 19988 and is going downhill really really fast
What is piss me off that they always wait to last-minute to make stupid decision
btw SK33T3R I have a BMA for sale if you're interested

[sawbill]

I have no grief with the MNR making a decision that results in fewer tags. But they must be able to justify it and from what I can see, they can't justify it and won't try. And there's nothing more infuriating than that!
One of the biggest mistakes BMA owners ever did was not remain united after the BMA's were established and now they have no voice when it comes to these decisions.

[SK33T3R]

We Can agree and disagree on things here but will never going to change nothing
If you live in Ontario is the wrong province for hunting friendly
I have been on it since 19988 and is going downhill really really fast
What is piss me off that they always wait to last-minute to make stupid decision
btw SK33T3R I have a BMA for sale if you're interested

Skull It's nice to banter back and forth and very often I see the light after I said something stupid. I have NO IDEA why the MNR has this need or desire to go in and FIX something that isn't broken. It's almost like they need to justify their jobs and part of that is create NEW LAWS on a regular basis. They have done some great things in the past but those guys retired and the ones we have now, are for the most part, deaf know-it-alls. You'd think they would consult with the user groups and really listen to what we say. There's so much first hand knowledge out there. I've said it on many posts before. There should be an panel of equal MNR reps and equal reps of the user group. Discussions and suggestions should be bantered and a vote determines the direction taken. Like a city or regional council. Hell it's the way democracy is supposed to be!

They seem to think all hunters are stupid and need to be guided by them. They seem to think we can't make hard decisions. Hunters are bigger conservationists then the MNR ever could be. And for them to think this way is another BIG mistake on their end.

[trimmer21]

I have no grief with the MNR making a decision that results in fewer tags. But they must be able to justify it and from what I can see, they can't justify it and won't try. And there's nothing more infuriating than that!
One of the biggest mistakes BMA owners ever did was not remain united after the BMA's were established and now they have no voice when it comes to these decisions.

This is just my $.02 FWIW. In some respects,creation of the BMA system has been very good for many outfitters because it levelled the playing field in an extremely competitive business,although,none of the BMA's applied to resident hunters (good thing,IMO) unless they were directly employing an area outfitter or were hiring their own independant guide. Sometimes,intense competition got downright nasty with vandalism and physical confrontation with violence. I personally broke up more than a few fights among guides/outfitters during my time as a LEO,so,I have first-hand knowledge. Overall,though,whether or not the system has been a good thing remains open to rigorous debate. Some will say that it's been good for competition and fairness while others vehemently disagree. After many decades of hunting all over the province,I'm sure It wouldn't be a business that I'd be interested in getting into.

[Hunter John]

How can an outfitter sell a BMA to another outfitter. I thought the BMA's were given to outfitters by the MNR, so selling it would be like selling moose tags the MNR give to outfitters witch is illegal . If an outfitter cant or wont use a BMA they should lose it and another potential outfitter should be able to claim it ,No??
Not sure how this works so I am a little confused.

[trimmer21]

How can an outfitter sell a BMA to another outfitter. I thought the BMA's were given to outfitters by the MNR, so selling it would be like selling moose tags the MNR give to outfitters witch is illegal . If an outfitter cant or wont use a BMA they should lose it and another potential outfitter should be able to claim it ,No??
Not sure how this works so I am a little confused.

I believe you're correct. There's nothing stopping an outfitter from selling his business,but,the BMA doesn't go with it. That transfer must be handled by OMNRF by application,I think.