Is this a JOKE!!! (bear)

[SK33T3R]

I believe you're correct. There's nothing stopping an outfitter from selling his business,but,the BMA doesn't go with it. That transfer must be handled by OMNRF by application,I think.

BUT how does the MNR decide on who gets it? I think it's handed out like those gov't construction jobs!

Maybe some of the outfitters can enlighten us.

The area I tried to get was a BMA at one time. No one there anymore. I inquire and they said there's areas of the province that have been set aside to be BMA less zones. Mine is NO BMA. Guaranteed eventually I will run in to an outfitter that just got it.

[sawbill]

Maybe I can answer some of this stuff as I've been on both sides of the fence.
At one time you couldn't sell a trap line because you didn't own it. The crown owed it and the fur on it. The licence gave you sole permission to trap that crown land area. You did however own the camp you built on it, you owned the trails you constructed, you owned the traps and all the gear you used while trapping--boats, motors, canoes, snowmachine, sleighs,..........etc. You could sell those off and this often was the ruse trappers used to transfer a ground.
Then came a point system where certain criteria was used to determine whether an individual deserved a trapline. Actual trapping experience in years , distance one lived from the trapline, completion of FM course, etc.
Then MNR lightened up. At one time a trapper could only use his camp for directly related trapping activities and nothing else. Cutting firewood, clearing trails, prepping traps, that sorta thing. Then they decided that a trapper could use the camp full year around for any activities they desired, fishing, hunting, recreation etc.

Now, for transferring a BMA, one has to apply stating qualifications, background in outfitting business, a business plan, a management plan,....
The applications will be assessed and the most qualified would get the BMA. The one other way of obtaining a BMA would be to buy an outfitting business outright. One that catered to anglers, moose hunters, canoe tripping etc then if there was a BMA attached to the business then that BMA would go with the business.

[Hunter John]

Thanks Sawbill.

[The Northerner]

Well I for one am glad for the extra tags , way too many bear here in Cochrane, I personally know 3 people in the last two years that had bears come into there homes while they were in it and heard about a 4th encounter, 10 friends got 18 bears here last year just in about 6 square mile area. Just after season ended I saw two more right here on my property,thats alot of bears in a small area,so even after the 18 were taken and still seeing 2 more here,HOW MANY ARE HERE ???

[gowbushkon]

Just got a call from the MNR they changed the allotment of bear tags for non-residents and have upped the outfitters allowed number of hunters for this year. But the numbers will be cut for next year, still waiting for information on the number of bears counted for my WMU area's.

[SK33T3R]

This MNR really has no idea????

spring season on/off/back on/off/on.
non-residents yes/no maybe/yes/no yes
quotas no/yes/no/yes/no next year for sure
now they're gonna do a bear count??!!! NOW!!!
What? did they get extra funding? They've had since 1996 to count the bears!
I guess they'll be using hunter surveys - that seems to working wonderfully!

[skull]

This MNR really has no idea????

spring season on/off/back on/off/on.
non-residents yes/no maybe/yes/no yes
quotas no/yes/no/yes/no next year for sure
now they're gonna do a bear count??!!! NOW!!!
What? did they get extra funding? They've had since 1996 to count the bears!
I guess they'll be using hunter surveys - that seems to working wonderfully!

you guys still wasting your time talking about MNR and OFAH
don't you guys know they have no clue

[gowbushkon]

Yes you are right they have no clue however they are the ones who decide whats what. It is better to be prepared than ignorant.Hunter surveys are not used to count bears apparently it is a barb wire count, place barb wire on a tree set out bait (sardine can) do DNA on the hair caught in the barb wire.Then they can tell sex,age and number of bears in an area. But how big is the area that they do the survey on, waiting for more information on this survey keep getting passed to the next person.

[SK33T3R]

DNA barb wire test?
They should do a DNA enema test on the MNR policy makers.
I think they'll find a lot of inbreeding with an emphasis on small craniums.
And a hearing test will show hearing loss particularly within the range of banjo music.

[Waftrudnir]

Really cannot understand what the entire fuss about the tag numbers is all about.
a) we have way too many bears
b) residents only get one tag. less than 300 2nd tags (#tags does not equal #bears harvested...) is insignificant for the province and the overall population.
c) spring season practically limits you to hunt males
d) the land will dictate hunter distribution (with vast areas being not hunted at all)
e) how many males would you need to harvest before you see any impact to the overall population?
f) the spring bear hunt is a good thing, with extra opportunities for us and $$$ for the province to waste on something else