Parking changes coming to Innisfil Beach Park

[Gilroy]

The 407 was leased. The Province still not only owns it buts has lease revenue from it.

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Great, how much are we all gettin from this lease revenue.LOL

[terrym]

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Great, how much are we all gettin from this lease revenue.LOL

Quite a bit more than the money we lose every year from selling electricity at a loss from Wynne's GEA scandal. And I have a choice "not" to use the 407. Can't opt out of using electricity. But you're ok with selling Hydro at a loss right? Step up your game Gilroy, you make it too easy.

[Fisherman]

Well if that's what Innifail wants to charge, they won't have to reserve a spot for me.

[Woodsman]

What many are missing here is the "our taxes pay for it" mentality doesn't hold water.
Most places everyone lives also has taxes which pay for their local parks to an equal extent.
But guess what? Many of these places use money from higher governments to also pay for these services. Grants and services for things like improvements to parks. So no not just the locals are paying but everyone is also contributing.
How much do the locals directly pay for the stocking of fish in Simcoe? But they are doing everything the can to keep the lake to themselves.
I'd have no problem to cut off all provincial & federal funding for the lake area and let the locals fund it them selves if they want to keep it to themselves.
Where I live (and most on this forum also) parking at public owned places or use of parks are either free for all or a set price for all. No two tiered system of free for residents but non residents bend over.
I'd sure like to see a resident of Innisfil ( or another area around Lake Simcoe with uses a two tier fee schedule for use of parking & parks) go to Toronto for an appointment and be confronted with Toronto residents get free parking but non residents pay 10 times the current rates to make up for lost revenues now not being paid by residents.

[blasted_saber]

Not that I use the place but I don't like hearing about things like this. being implemented. Why do so many see the need to make money or restrict the use of our natural resources. What ever happened to sharing the wealth, now more than ever it's explode the wealth/resource.
All about the money.

I dont think it has anything to do with natural resources. I think it has everything to do with various levels of government being fiscally irresponsible and needing to make up budget shortcomings by charging for and taxing everything they can think of.

[greatwhite]

Actually Orleans (Part of Ottawa) actually wanted to look at the idea of charging non residents to use their roads.

But I agree with you these towns if they want to keep their parks to themselves they should have to give up all subsidies and any other government monies used to sustain them.

What many are missing here is the "our taxes pay for it" mentality doesn't hold water.
Most places everyone lives also has taxes which pay for their local parks to an equal extent.
But guess what? Many of these places use money from higher governments to also pay for these services. Grants and services for things like improvements to parks. So no not just the locals are paying but everyone is also contributing.
How much do the locals directly pay for the stocking of fish in Simcoe? But they are doing everything the can to keep the lake to themselves.
I'd have no problem to cut off all provincial & federal funding for the lake area and let the locals fund it them selves if they want to keep it to themselves.
Where I live (and most on this forum also) parking at public owned places or use of parks are either free for all or a set price for all. No two tiered system of free for residents but non residents bend over.
I'd sure like to see a resident of Innisfil ( or another area around Lake Simcoe with uses a two tier fee schedule for use of parking & parks) go to Toronto for an appointment and be confronted with Toronto residents get free parking but non residents pay 10 times the current rates to make up for lost revenues now not being paid by residents.

[MikePal]

What many are missing here is the "our taxes pay for it" mentality doesn't hold water.
Most places everyone lives also has taxes which pay for their local parks to an equal extent.
But guess what? Many of these places use money from higher governments to also pay for these services. Grants and services for things like improvements to parks. So no not just the locals are paying but everyone is also contributing.
How much do the locals directly pay for the stocking of fish in Simcoe? But they are doing everything the can to keep the lake to themselves.

The issue has nothing to do with restricting access to the Lake, visitors to the area have many ways to get onto the lake and enjoy it. Fish away.

The issue is purely a recovery tool to recoup the cost of the 'Road and Grounds' crews and By-Law enforcement officers that are required to keep the launches maintained, clean up the park and keep it safe. That cost comes directly out of the City's working budget, that is paid for by the locals property taxes. (not Fed or Provincial)

If they have found that 30% the park is being used by visitors, people who don't contribute directly to the City coffers, why is it wrong to ask them to pay a user fee ?

Like Werner said earlier (post #20) a two tiered system exists in almost every township when it comes to the use of facilities. It equals out the cost between the local property tax payers and people from outside the area.

[Woodsman]

The issue has nothing to do with restricting access to the Lake, visitors to the area have many ways to get onto the lake and enjoy it. Fish away.

If you can't park there or can't afford to park there than yes it does restrict access. Residents only parking or residents free but non residents pay big $'s is restrictive.

Like Werner said earlier (post #20) a two tiered system exists in almost every township when it comes to the use of facilities. It equals out the cost between the local property tax payers and people from outside the area.

We are not talking about garbage collection but parking on roads and use of public parks. In that respect no, very few place impose a two tiered system for these things. Places that do are mostly around Lake Simcoe or other lakeside area's where the local's try to keep the area to themselves.
I never seen it anywhere near where I live.

[JBen]

We all pay Federal taxes.
Do non residents pay more for tags/liscences?
Do we pay more when we go to another province?

Does anyone who has a problem with this likewise have a problem with a resident of say New Brunswick paying more for a deer, bear tag or fishing license? Cant have it both ways.
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Not really the issue (imo anyways), but rather just how hammered small towns or hamlets like this get on weekends. The drain and strain that has to put on their finances and why shouldn't we help pay for things.

If we want to point fingers at something and blame something. Blame the millions of GTAers, who every weekend leave the city to go frolic in the outdoors, and descend on places like this, but pay very little.

Has anyone ever visited Sibbald Park on a Weekend? My aunt lives just down the road from the entrance.
Its INSANE.
Ive personally witnessed car backed up.......so far.......
Ive personally witnessed people carrying coolers and beach gear down the road...and they still aren't in the park. Then have to carry crap another km or so. To get to the beach/boat launch there. Not sure if they ever dredged the boat launch as over the years its fallen apart.
Who pays for that?

When the road in needs maintenance or has to be repaved...
Who pays for that?

Most weekends they have to cops at the gate, if its a sunny hot Sunday......Its beyond insane.
Who pays for that.

[seabast]

You guys are complaining about the town decision when you should be complaining about the users that screwed it up for everyone by acting like trash.... How long is it going to take for you to understand there are consequences for others action?