Opp on fish patrol LOL the big sting

[stragglelake]

Did I say RIDE was a failure ?


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[terrym]

You mean RIDE is a failure Stragglelake?
Seems to me spot checks work.

You are missing the point here. What we are saying is that the OPP should be doing exactly that. Doing Ride checks not wasting tax dollars chasing a fish over slot. Use the very expensive manpower chasing drunks and speeders. Let the MNR worry about the slot sizes. The entire process including the 2 cops, the court staff and the JP will not come anywhere near to recouping costs with the fine money $$ collected. Police should be out chasing menaces to society. Not sure a fish over slot is a menace. I have unfortunately been touched by the damage done by drunks. I lost a cousin and a buddy I went to school with to drunks. I have "zero" time or tolerance for the dim bulbs who feel entitled to drink and drive on land or water. Let the CO's worry about fish and let the police deal with serious crimes. Time wasted writing a ticket by the police should be used chasing speeders and drinkers. Not saying the OPP shouldn't be on the water, just that they should use their time effectively.
I drive quite a bit with my job and I think society would be best served if the OPP spent more time ticketing the aholes who text and drive. I see it all day long. Those morons kill people not some guy in a 16 foot boat who kept a fish over slot who could have been bleeding and would have died if released.
If we really feel that the line is the line and anything crossing it must be prosecuted then every person who crosses the speed limit should be charged right? Can anybody truthfully say they never drive over the speed limit? How many here text while driving?

[JBen]

Not missing it all.
Whats the harm in checking boats/boaters while also enforcing Slots, or possession limits or whatever. Also seems odd, people don't gripe about it during the hard water season this much.

Question:
Do you or have you complained about the lack of enforcement.
A) Yes you have.

Question
Do you think there will ever be enough money for enough COs to adequately cover/patrol our Lakes (and forest)
A) ?

Can't have it both ways Terry. And we know you would lead the charge if taxes go up. Or scream about bloated PS..........

Reality is, even with the OPP pulling double there isn't anywhere near enough patriing/enforcement or "visibility" (acting as a deterent). Not even remotely.

So what's more important here?
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[COLOR=#333333]Its my RIGHT operate the boat without being harassed by state sanctioned bullies.

[COLOR=#333333]Also I'm against drinking and driving in a car or a boat probably more than most people. I've lost friends to alcohol related accidents but I doubt pulling upside of people on the lake and acting like a jerk and giving out tickets because your water resistant flashlights batteries are dead is going to keep people from drinking and boating.

and then you went to imply spot checks ( RIDE or a rose by any other name ) was failing due to the report this far in 2016 fatalities are way up.

[JBen]

And since when have fines ever recovered the cost? Do you think by hiring 5 or 10 thousand more COs will change that dynamic? No, only jacking the fines with the proceeds going to the MNR will ever do that. But given the reaction here to a fine, it's probably safe to assume that won't fly either

heck, just last week people were complaining about increased parking fees......
So, is the take away from all this.

-We think expecting us to pay more for more OPP, SAR, Emergency services to handle the ever increasing flood of Human traffic into the playgrounds is wrong.

-We think paying fines for infractions (however slight) is wrong.

-we think paying more in fees for our outdoors cards, tags, boat and trailer fees is wrong

-we think the woeful state of the MNR is wrong

-we think killing two birds with one stone ( OPP pulling double duty while out on the water) is wrong.


Seriously, make up your minds. First decide whether or not there's enough enforcement. If you think there are enough COs, then the arguements that utilizing the OPP is a waste or misalocation of resources hold water. If however, you don't think there's enough COs, not enough enforcement, that arguement is seriously weakened.

Now let's look at reality.
Ontario is 1.1million square miles, with how many Lakes? Do you know, if you spent every weekend of your life visiting one, you will not visit them all? It's mathematically impossible.

How many COs do you think, and how many boats and trucks would it take to adequately patrol. And how many billions to hire enough, equip enough. And do note, I haven't even touched on the abysmal shape the province is in these days.

So which is it.
Do you want to see more enforcement or not.

[MikePal]

Its my RIGHT operate the boat without being harassed by state sanctioned bullies.

Nothing makes the eye's roll more than comments like that....

Rules need to be enforced...don't like it, don't play.

[B Wilson]

May 22 2016
http://www.680news.com/2016/05/22/op...led-this-year/

boating deaths trippled to 8 ? so only 2.6 deaths last year... how does 0.6 of a person die? (I know the head line was meant to get peoples attention)

As per the article most of the "boats" didn't have motors. So my take is that they are talking about canoes or kayaks.

It should be law that a PFD must be worn while in a canoe, kayak or paddle board even without booze involved. You never know when the next fisherman or over zealous cop is going to come speeding into a bay creating a huge wake that may swamp you.

[stragglelake]

Nothing makes the eye's roll more than comments like that....

Rules need to be enforced...don't like it, don't play.

What if the RCMP starting knocking on people's doors and said I see you have a PAL we are going to search your house just to make sure everything is stored within the law and if it's not we will write some tickets.
Would you say the same thing ?



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[MikePal]

What if the RCMP starting knocking on people's doors and said I see you have a PAL we are going to search your house

Again, if the purpose is to ensure enforcement of the rules and as a condition of holding a license to own a gun...why would you fight it ?

[stragglelake]

Nothing makes the eye's roll more than comments like that....

Rules need to be enforced...don't like it, don't play.

I have been boating for over 40 years and never received a ticket. I think I'm a pretty safe boater but I think the problem may lay in the OPP's delivery rather than the enforcement.
If your going to stop me while I'm boating and I haven't done anything wrong yet then maybe try to be pleasant and polite and use a little discretion on ticket writing. Sometimes some education and a smile can go a long way.



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[stragglelake]

Again, if the purpose is to ensure enforcement of the rules and as a condition of holding a license to own a gun...why would you fight it ?

Wow !! That is some scary stuff !


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