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June 29th, 2016, 06:36 AM
#51
Has too much time on their hands
What took so long?
IMO, it didn't! In 46, 53 and 60 we had two harch winters (13/14 lots of snow and 14/15 cold) and an high number of predator at the same time.
For the 2015 season, so right after, and for those WMU they cut the tags by 80% for 46, more than 50% for 53 and didn't for 60. They also took extra tags away. They cut tags in many other WMU that same year and again this year. Last summer I saw lots of does with two fawns that I was able to see again this spring so we are ding well. Another thing to consider, I'm no expert but maybe we needed a good kill to start fresh with the strong just like nature always did... I have seen a lot less coyote too this winter...
Anyway, I'm not too sure how the MNR wasn't fast enough?!? Sounds to me there are lots of wannabe that will always complain and pretend they could do better but it's not about what you could do....
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June 29th, 2016 06:36 AM
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June 29th, 2016, 06:59 AM
#52
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
seabast
What took so long?
IMO, it didn't! In 46, 53 and 60 we had two harch winters (13/14 lots of snow and 14/15 cold) and an high number of predator at the same time.
For the 2015 season, so right after, and for those WMU they cut the tags by 80% for 46, more than 50% for 53 and didn't for 60. They also took extra tags away. They cut tags in many other WMU that same year and again this year. Last summer I saw lots of does with two fawns that I was able to see again this spring so we are ding well. Another thing to consider, I'm no expert but maybe we needed a good kill to start fresh with the strong just like nature always did... I have seen a lot less coyote too this winter...
Anyway, I'm not too sure how the MNR wasn't fast enough?!? Sounds to me there are lots of wannabe that will always complain and pretend they could do better but it's not about what you could do....
So... because some of us noticed a big drop in deer numbers long before the cuts came we're complaining wannabe hunters? Nice. Maybe the timing was right in your area, but that isn't the norm.
To be clear, I never said we didn't get our deer, they were just harder to find. I can pretty much guarantee you that a guy who spends a good portion of the season in the bush knows a lot more about what's going on with the deer herd in the area than the "experts" sitting behind desks in the MNR.
"where a man feels at home, outside of where he's born, is where he's meant to go"
- Ernest Hemingway
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June 29th, 2016, 07:32 AM
#53
Originally Posted by
Species8472
Historically 82a has had 1 or 2 additionals available per hunter but last season and this season none are available.
Historically? Additional tags have not been around for that long and 100% chance on antlerless tags is a very new thing too. I have been hunting deer for 17 years, I remember when the first additional tags came out and it floored us, I mean, you could take 2 deer without party hunting? It was a crazy concept.
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June 29th, 2016, 07:34 AM
#54
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
GW11
So... because some of us noticed a big drop in deer numbers long before the cuts came we're complaining wannabe hunters? Nice. Maybe the timing was right in your area, but that isn't the norm.
To be clear, I never said we didn't get our deer, they were just harder to find. I can pretty much guarantee you that a guy who spends a good portion of the season in the bush knows a lot more about what's going on with the deer herd in the area than the "experts" sitting behind desks in the MNR.
I didn't mean to say Wannabe hunters, I meant to say Wannabe Complainers..... You know, the ones you are probably working with that always complain out management issues but never about their lack of skills or working....
It sounds like your area is much different from a lot of others. Most hunters are complaining about the two harsh winters we got from 2013 to 2015. In your case you are talking about.... What exactly? Too much hunting pressure, predation, else?
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June 29th, 2016, 08:05 AM
#55
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
seabast
I didn't mean to say Wannabe hunters, I meant to say Wannabe Complainers..... You know, the ones you are probably working with that always complain out management issues but never about their lack of skills or working....
It sounds like your area is much different from a lot of others. Most hunters are complaining about the two harsh winters we got from 2013 to 2015. In your case you are talking about.... What exactly? Too much hunting pressure, predation, else?
Sorry for the misunderstanding...
I primarily hunt in 73, 74A and 74B. In recent years coyotes have done a number on the deer herd as well as us hunters. All of these areas offered additional tags up until around 2014 and if I set things up right, I could usually end up with my main tag plus two or three additionals for bow and muzzleloader season. We hunters got pretty good at filling these extra tags and IMO the MNR was about 2 or 3 years late in cutting them out. Probably because they didn't want to lose the money and also because they don't have accurate information most of the time.
I'm not complaining about the situation, just pointing out to those who are upset about not seeing additional tags back because of the mild winter that it doesn't usually work that fast.
I started hunting well before the days of additional tags so to me they're just a bonus if they're around.
"where a man feels at home, outside of where he's born, is where he's meant to go"
- Ernest Hemingway
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June 29th, 2016, 09:18 AM
#56
Originally Posted by
Fox
Historically? Additional tags have not been around for that long and 100% chance on antlerless tags is a very new thing too. I have been hunting deer for 17 years, I remember when the first additional tags came out and it floored us, I mean, you could take 2 deer without party hunting? It was a crazy concept.
In the context of deer hunting history it is not that long but this is the 14th season with additionals and the reference is meant to be within the context of the additional seal program as that's what this thread is about. Either way that's long enough for me to consider it history. Hell I have a hard time remembering what I had for breakfast. Doesn't have to be generations for it to be history.
Last edited by Species8472; June 29th, 2016 at 09:46 AM.
The wilderness is not a stadium where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, it is the cathedral where I worship.
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June 29th, 2016, 09:48 AM
#57
Originally Posted by
Species8472
In the context of deer hunting history it is not that long but this is the 14th season with additionals and the reference is meant to be within the context of the additional seal program as that's what this thread is about. Either way that's long enough for me to consider it history. Hell I have a hard time remembering what I had for breakfast. Doesn't have to be generations for it to be history.
When I started hunting deer the numbers were high but when my father started they would be lucky to cut a track for 8 guys in a whole week of hunting just south east of Algonquin park. I do not want to see the days not not seeing any sign, I would rather they reduce the number of deer tags drop substantially rather than not have the chance to hunt them.
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June 29th, 2016, 09:51 AM
#58
are there any additional seals available for 78A???
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June 29th, 2016, 09:55 AM
#59
Originally Posted by
mans9110
are there any additional seals available for 78A???
Nope, CDE only.
The wilderness is not a stadium where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, it is the cathedral where I worship.
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June 29th, 2016, 09:57 AM
#60
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
GW11
Sorry for the misunderstanding...
I primarily hunt in 73, 74A and 74B. In recent years coyotes have done a number on the deer herd as well as us hunters. All of these areas offered additional tags up until around 2014 and if I set things up right, I could usually end up with my main tag plus two or three additionals for bow and muzzleloader season. We hunters got pretty good at filling these extra tags and IMO the MNR was about 2 or 3 years late in cutting them out. Probably because they didn't want to lose the money and also because they don't have accurate information most of the time.
I'm not complaining about the situation, just pointing out to those who are upset about not seeing additional tags back because of the mild winter that it doesn't usually work that fast.
I started hunting well before the days of additional tags so to me they're just a bonus if they're around.
It's interesting to discuss with someone from another part of the province. I thought we were all in the same boat but different place, different issues.
I also get invited to a bow camp between Christmass and new year for the past 5 years in 76A. In 2013 it started to get really cold mid November and we got a lot of snow early in December, been hunting in a deeryard it was a slaughter from us and the coyotes. The next December was still good too but not the same, obviously last year was terrible. But the MNR cut the tag by a lot on 76A in 2015, so again I htink they did a good job.
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