Originally Posted by yellow dog
But there are lots of farmers that are only rich on paper and only when the sell off the farm and their quota's will they live comfortably. Lots are cash poor and struggle to make ends meet like anyone else and if the opportunity to lease out some land for an income comes along, it's would be stupid not to consider it.
By the way, by what measure of a man's worth do you judge him as greedy ...and by what right do you have to judge him ?
Last edited by MikePal; August 10th, 2016 at 12:43 PM.
Right. That's where the landowners 'integrity vs greed' comes into play.
A trophy is in the eye of the bow holder
this is what I meant by "don't understand how you miss things". When the province first brought in the GEA, many said no. They were rammed through anyways. I could be wrong but I think it was just before the 2014 election that they backed off and said townships could refuse them due to all the heat, the hypocrisy of moving gas plants to save 5 seats...but rural Ontario and wind farms? Eat cake was their initial stance. Today, the town/muni can still vote no and in theory stop them, but the process is rigged. Im googling for it, for you. Suffice to say
http://ontario-wind-resistance.org/not-a-willing-host/
And they are still going in. See also the sheer number of legal fights (also paid for by us).
Google ontario-wind farms appeals. I linked the Oak Ridges Morraine appeal last night. I pray to all gods people understand just how important the Morraine is........So much for protecting it (provincial legislation) and being "green champions"
Thus far only one has won. But hopefully its A) a sign that more will start winning and B) a bow shot for this crooked inept and worse admin.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...e-project.html
Yup, which is why for some of them, kneecapping their property value is a serious blow. Banks extend credit based on those values. How much do combines alone cost??????Many farms live, operate, exist on debt (and govt tax breaks). Well what happens when their borrowing capacity is knee capped? Then what happens when they decide to sell and the value isn't much more than their debt loads. Rock meet hard place.
Last edited by JBen; August 10th, 2016 at 01:36 PM.
Another Ontario Jewel slated for farms, despite many attempts to stop it.
Think the city dwellers know much about it, let alone care or will add their voices?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...lity-1.3140144
See also Wolfe/Amherst Island
soooooo many.
Have been looking for the history of the GEA and subsequent change to the process. Cant find it, but the gist of the GEA was that amongst other things the act gave the province the power to build things carte blanche, don't like where? Too bad. Don't want a turbine 300 yards from your bedroom, or 50 of them in your back yard. Too bad.
Then due to all the heat prior to the 2014 election they relented some. Re jigged it, so that in theory and on paper they can be stopped. Forget details but suffice to say....Finally one appeal has been won.
Read this through if you want some history and some clarity on different things, but some salt to.
Oh and one reason JT scares the help out of me? Well he's a little too cozy to Ms Wynd.
The key person behind Ontario’s move to Wind Energy is Gerald Butts who is currently chief advisor to Federal Liberal leader Justin Trudeau.[COLOR=#333333]Butts was Principal Secretary to Premier McGuinty, who states that he was intimately involved in the government’s environmental initiatives.
Worth the read.
http://www.windontario.ca
You're right JBen...the whole GEA was forced...
that's from an article dated Mar 12 2016: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...ions-1.3487708Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli says wind turbines are an important part of the province's drive to reduce its carbon footprint and develop sustainable, low cost, renewable energy.
He says that municipalities were never given a veto over electrical infrastructure requirements, whether those were transmission towers, solar panels or wind turbines.
(Ontario's Ministry of Energy has approved five large wind turbine projects, including one for 30 to 40 turbines near Berwick and another in St-Isidore, a few kilometres away.)
Of the five approved wind turbine projects, only two had the endorsement of their municipal councils.
Last edited by MikePal; August 10th, 2016 at 03:14 PM.
Wynne has enough safe seats in the urban areas and couldn't give a damn about rural people having to live with unnecessary monstrosities. The Citiots who support her rarely get North of HWY 9 so they could care less. Of course these are the same people who endorse lies, electoral fraud and $$ Billions in boondoggles. We already pay the highest Hydro rates in NA and she hasn't even tacked on the Carbon taxes yet. Do you really think that when 60% of Hydro is in private hands they will reduce rates? Do you realize how much they have us over a barrel with something essential like Hydro? People in this Province are idiots to not see this coming.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
Right on !
Well Terry, I bite my tongue these days but yup and yup. You forgot the Unions. The GTA is less than half the province by population. Look at the map Mike linked earlier, note the high number of small, concentrated ridings. What's worse is that over the past 15-20 years, Urban sprawl has gobbled up more and more "rural" communities. As one writer in the Nat post called it a few months ago. Toronto has become a cesspool. Of many things, greed, self interest, willful blinders, and idealogy.
Carbon taxes?
Well let's see. Who will pay more. Person A who lives in a rural community and has to drive quite far for a loaf of bread, or case of beer, or night out with the family? Or a long way to work? Or one of the 30,000 expected to move into the "hamlet" of Brooklin over the next 7 years, who take the subsidized Go Train to work? Or can drive a heavily subsidized electric car, or Prius in winter?
Hydro?
where people get raped by delivery charges over and above....God help you if your house is on base board electric, or forced air electric furnaces. The place I bought was, despite not having a job, or knowing where my next pay check is going to come from I forked out the $6,000 for propane, and a heat pump/exchange will add another 6,000. Want to know what their annual hydro bill was (family of 6)???
and then if all that and more isn't enough, there's these monstrosities being rammed down communities throats. God awful eyesores and more, that have neighbours at each other's throats and more...
but if you want to know why, despite all that I happily moved to the country. Well, let's call a spade a spade. Getting out of the city, and what it's become was/is a fairly big part of it.
never been happier.
This topic, (wind in Ontario) will undoubtedly go down as one of the worst examples of greed, ineptitude, mismanagement and an unparalleled disaster in history. And what's laughable, is. As bad as we have it. Our kids who today, on top of soaring Hydro, job losses as a result, etc etc. Can't afford a home until there's a crash in the GTA, or they look for
greener pastures away from the insanity.
Last edited by JBen; August 10th, 2016 at 05:11 PM.
Read this in the post this morning: explains how badly we're being screwed
You may be surprised to learn that electricity is now cheaper to generate in Ontario than it has been for decades. The wholesale price, called the Hourly Ontario Electricity Price or HOEP, used to bounce around between five and eight cents per kilowatt hour (kWh), but over the last decade, thanks in large part to the shale gas revolution, it has trended down to below three cents, and on a typical day is now as low as two cents per kWh. Good news, right?
A hidden tax on Ontario’s electricity has pushed the actual purchase price in the opposite direction, to the highest it’s ever been. The tax, called the Global Adjustment (GA), is levied on electricity purchases to cover a massive provincial slush fund for green energy, conservation programs, nuclear plant repairs and other central planning boondoggles. As these spending commitments soar, so does the GA.
In the latter part of the last decade when the HOEP was around five cents per kWh and the government had not yet begun tinkering, the GA was negligible, so it hardly affected the price. In 2009, when the Green Energy Act kicked in with massive revenue guarantees for wind and solar generators, the GA jumped to about 3.5 cents per kWh, and has been trending up since — now it is regularly above 9.5 cents. In April it even topped 11 cents, triple the average HOEP.
So while the marginal production cost for generation is the lowest in decades, electricity bills have never been higher. And the way the system is structured, costs will keep rising.
The province signed long-term contracts with a handful of lucky firms, guaranteeing them 13.5 cents per kWh for electricity produced from wind, and even more from solar. Obviously, if the wholesale price is around 2.5 cents, and the wind turbines are guaranteed 13.5 cents, someone has to kick in 11 cents to make up the difference. That’s where the GA comes in. The more the wind blows, and the more turbines get built, the bigger the losses and the higher the GA.
Just to make the story more exquisitely painful, if the HOEP goes down further, for instance through technological innovation, power rates won’t go down. A drop in the HOEP widens the gap between the market price and the wind farm’s guaranteed price, which means the GA has to go up to cover the losses.
http://business.financialpost.com/fp...er-been-higher
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