Regulation questions

[js4fn]

Hey guys reg question
After you have shot a deer tag it then this deer will not leave the property will be hung and butchered on site
Question is first time I have ever heard this
But was told by a friend the head and hide has to be accessible till the end of the hunt true or false
We don't like to hang it with head attached


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[Brampton Mike]

Your best bet is to phone the MNR ask for a CO and get the answer straight from them vs from a bunch of armchair experts...me included!

[Gilroy]

Without even looking at the regulations just using common sense would help out.The MNR just want to establish if you took the animal legally and had the right tag.In order to do that you would need to keep the parts that would establish this.For instance if the tag was gone and questioned would you remember the day date and time you tagged the animal.Its like taking a bass fishing,you fillet the fish and transport home without the skin on one side.How does the MNR know what they have in front of them.

[Dythbringer]

In the Ontario Hunting Regulations (https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/980665), under Part 2 (Licenses), section 17 states:

17. (1) The holder of a licence who has killed a moose, deer, elk, bear, wild turkey, wolf or coyote shall, (a) immediately after the kill and at the site of the kill attach the seal provided with or purchased for the licence or licence tag to the game wildlife in the manner indicated in the instructions that accompany the seal; and
(b) keep the seal attached to the game wildlife while it is being transported and, in the case of wild turkey, keep the seal attached to the wild turkey until it is prepared for consumption. O. Reg. 276/05, s. 1; O. Reg. 529/10, s. 2 (1); O. Reg. 48/11, s. 1.

So you have to keep the seal attached to the deer until it is prepared for consumption after which you can dispose of the hide and seal. Since seals are either attached to antlers or placed through the ear, cutting off the head is not allowed.

[js4fn]

What we do is cut ear off with tag and it's kept bury the rest is ear enough to get DNA sample to match to carcass don't know but other parts likely keep better buried then in a plastic barrow


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[Dythbringer]

What we do is cut ear off with tag and it's kept bury the rest is ear enough to get DNA sample to match to carcass don't know but other parts likely keep better buried then in a plastic barrow


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I would suggest you are going overboard. Unless you involved in a major investigation, the MNRF really doesn't have the resources to do DNA matching for every deer harvested in Ontario so the chances they are going to ask you to provide DNA samples for any deer taken by you or your group is extremely low.

[MikePal]

Like Dyth has posted....for the past 50+ yrs the camp, as do many others around here, have always done it the same way. CO'c are encountered ever once in a while and no one has ever had a problem.

The camps skin the deer, removes the heads, put them in a bag, throw them into the truck with the skinned carcasses and transports them to the butcher.

The carcasses are removed there and the heads stay on the truck....the butcher won't let anything with hair in his shop area. He has no requirement to see or record the tag so he doesn't.

When I hunt alone, I butcher them myself and the tag is on the deer for less than 30 minutes. I tag it at kill site, transport out of the bush to my barn, up on the gambrel, it's skinned will still warm, the head (tag) removed. If it's an evening hunt, the deer hangs overnight and is prepared for consumption in the morning. Since the deer is not being transported, no need to keep the head/tag with the deer and I can dispose of it with the entrails etc.

[patvetzal]

Sounds like my situation. Hangs in barn until aged enough, then head gets removed and the carcass halfed so I can handle it. (The hide came off warm as soon as it was hung).

[Dythbringer]

Like Dyth has posted....for the past 50+ yrs the camp, as do many others around here, have always done it the same way. CO'c are encountered ever once in a while and no one has ever had a problem.

The camps skin the deer, removes the heads, put them in a bag, throw them into the truck with the skinned carcasses and transports them to the butcher.

The carcasses are removed there and the heads stay on the truck....the butcher won't let anything with hair in his shop area. He has no requirement to see or record the tag so he doesn't.

When I hunt alone, I butcher them myself and the tag is on the deer for less than 30 minutes. I tag it at kill site, transport out of the bush to my barn, up on the gambrel, it's skinned will still warm, the head (tag) removed. If it's an evening hunt, the deer hangs overnight and is prepared for consumption in the morning. Since the deer is not being transported, no need to keep the head/tag with the deer and I can dispose of it with the entrails etc.

MikePal,

I would make the argument that once the skinning begins, a hunter has begun processing the meat for consumption (whether or not the hunter completes the butching process or has someone else complete it) and at that point the tag no longer is required to be with the meat. Not implying you are doing anything wrong by bringing the tags with you to butcher and leaving them on the truck, I am just stating how I believe the law is written.

Dyth

[MikePal]

Not implying you are doing anything wrong by bringing the tags with you to butcher and leaving them on the truck, I am just stating how I believe the law is written.

Oh your absolutely right...I think they began doing that as basic 'cover your fart hole', so that if you get stopped by a CO, the answers are in the bag, so to speak.