Used 4X4 trucks up in price

[Bushmoose]

Your truck can tow 10,000 or more.. so if you are pulling anything other then a camper or boat they can stop and inspect and then ticket you for not having one. You will also NOT be able to drive away till it has been inspected. You would have to have it towed to a shop that does inspection certications.
Hate to tell you but ALL pickup are considered commercial in Ontario.

I'm pretty sure you're talking to an MTO inspector? I'll take what he says right to the bank.

[last5oh_302]

Your truck can tow 10,000 or more.. so if you are pulling anything other then a camper or boat they can stop and inspect and then ticket you for not having one. You will also NOT be able to drive away till it has been inspected. You would have to have it towed to a shop that does inspection certications.
Hate to tell you but ALL pickup are considered commercial in Ontario.

You're right about all pickups falling under the definition of CMV.

As I said, a half ton with a small single axle trailer is good to go. I have two of them (boat trailer and utility for ATV) and I don't have safeties because none are required.

I'm pretty sure you're talking to an MTO inspector? I'll take what he says right to the bank.

Since 1998 (with MTO, but started in Gov't in 89). I'm old.

[Snowwalker]

I'm pretty sure you're talking to an MTO inspector? I'll take what he says right to the bank.

Other side of the counter...

Every spring and every fall they setup and inspect just north of TO on the 400. Lots of trips get cut short.
When guys from our west where hauling stuff home to the east this spring, a lot of trucks got ticketed. Most of them had the standard F150/1500 half ton truck pulling u-haul trailers behind their personal vehicle not a company or CMV plated truck. When they do the safety blitz they inspect everything with wheels.

[Snowwalker]

You're right about all pickups falling under the definition of CMV.
As I said, a half ton with a small single axle trailer is good to go. I have two of them (boat trailer and utility for ATV) and I don't have safeties because none are required.
Since 1998 (with MTO, but started in Gov't in 89). I'm old.

So why are your buddies writing tickets to people pulling utility and atv trailers for no sticker?

[last5oh_302]

So why are your buddies writing tickets to people pulling utility and atv trailers for no sticker?

I've done a few of these blitzes and lots of tickets are handed out for stuff other than safeties. We're specifically talking about safeties here. Either that or somebody doesn't know what they're doing.

[Waftrudnir]

can anyone post a link to a good & reliable summary, please?
so if the combined gross weight of truck and trailer is above 4500kg, I need that sticker (i.e. doesn't matter if big truck & small trailer or small truck & big trailer), private or commercial)?
Where is the boat exemption mentioned? I found something on RVs, but not the boat.
And if RVs are exempted, you should be able to pull with a 1500 as much as the manufacturer specifies without sticker, correct?

[Snowwalker]

I've done a few of these blitzes and lots of tickets are handed out for stuff other than safeties. We're specifically talking about safeties here. Either that or somebody doesn't know what they're doing.

Yes I am also. They where ticketed for not having the yellow commercial safety sticker. Some where driving through ontario with a u-haul trailer, or towing their car to or from shows or an event. Basically if you pulled my utility trailer with a sport utility they are saying that it is fine without the safety, but if you pull it with a half ton pickup you need a safety. I can also pull it with my tacoma and not need the safety because the rating for towing is "less" then 10,000lbs.

[Snowwalker]

can anyone post a link to a good & reliable summary, please?
so if the combined gross weight of truck and trailer is above 4500kg, I need that sticker (i.e. doesn't matter if big truck & small trailer or small truck & big trailer), private or commercial)?
Where is the boat exemption mentioned? I found something on RVs, but not the boat.
And if RVs are exempted, you should be able to pull with a 1500 as much as the manufacturer specifies without sticker, correct?

You can pull most campers and boats without the sticker. As for needing the sticker they are telling the people that it is based on what you can pull, not what you are pulling. But camper and boat trailers are listed as an exemption.

[last5oh_302]

Yes I am also. They where ticketed for not having the yellow commercial safety sticker. Some where driving through ontario with a u-haul trailer, or towing their car to or from shows or an event. Basically if you pulled my utility trailer with a sport utility they are saying that it is fine without the safety, but if you pull it with a half ton pickup you need a safety. I can also pull it with my tacoma and not need the safety because the rating for towing is "less" then 10,000lbs.

I can only guess because I wasn't there, but those UHauls/car trailers were probably tandem axles, which is a whole different kettle of fish. You started out by talking about a small 4x6 (or whatever) single axle trailer and a half ton. My utility trailer is a 5x10 single axle and it doesn't require a safety when being hauled by my F150.

[Snowwalker]

I can only guess because I wasn't there, but those UHauls/car trailers were probably tandem axles, which is a whole different kettle of fish. You started out by talking about a small 4x6 (or whatever) single axle trailer and a half ton. My utility trailer is a 5x10 single axle and it doesn't require a safety when being hauled by my F150.

My utility is only a little bigger( 8 X 10 ) and single axle as well. They say the requirement for the sticker is based on what you're truck "can" tow not on what your are currently pulling. Campers and boat trailers are exempt. The safety is for the truck not the trailer. Don't know if you where thinking I mean the trailer.