The USA who you seem to admire has a 3 trillion dollar deficit and run by Republicans/Conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
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The USA who you seem to admire has a 3 trillion dollar deficit and run by Republicans/Conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Another tax cheat in the making.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
Back up your statement with one of my posts where I’ve indicated I admire the States!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Yes fine and McQuinty Finance Minister was also a crack head. Which I am sure you will agree was not very smart to appoint a crack head in charge of Ontario Finances.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Would you rather the feds helped no one, but just let people and companies crash and burn. Would the country be better off going into more debt , or is it better to let the chips fall where they may? Every single country in the world is going into debt to fight this, and will later tax their citizens to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
You do realize that the government is one of the largest tax cheats. There have been in the past and many will still come where government has paid cash for work by teens and yes it was cash.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Our country would have had an extra 100 Billion if Trudeau had not thrown 100 billion out the window during the good times. This is why you put money away for a rainy day.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Alberta and Kenney are on the ropes nothing to do with the Liberals, mother nature has decided she has had enough of the vast pollution created by the dirty oil sands.If Mulroney had not promised the Americans oil at a standard $9 a barrel decades ago for developing the oil sands we would be vastly better off.To late the Conservatives gave our oil away to the Yanks for next to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
These projects created their own vortex,massive fire's years ago,pollution of all the river system's and now flooding.
So Kenney need's a distraction from his real problems why not stir the base and talk about guns?
I guess I will wait for the next election, maybe Peter MacKay will run on a platform of "bringing back our assault rifles",that would go down pretty good with the general public.
The CFO is appointed by the Province with the consent of the RCMP who have over all authority firearms,they would have to go to the Supreme Court to get that authority turned around and we know what would happen there.
You must my dear fellow as your a pro gun guy,why would you not admire them.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
So because someone enjoys gun means he must be like the Americans that's the stupidest statement you can make. I enjoy having guns doesn't mean we all want to be like the Americans. Try thinking before typingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I suppose you can provide spread sheet's and facts to support all this spending,where was he left 100 billion dollars?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
The general trend on this forum is great admiration for the Americans and their 2nd amendment right's,maybe you are not on here reading all the posts.I also made no assertion that "we all want to be like American's".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pair88
Firstly, my short peckered friend, it’s “you’re” not “your”... secondly, are you saying so called “gun guys” are US admirers???? Lay off that Kool-Aid Gilly.......your obvious disdain for “gun guys” is just your Liberalness showing up...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I've been reading all the post I wish we did have something that would be like the 2nd amendment and only so the village idiot can't just flick a switch and bam alot of ppls pass time and money be turned into paper weights. I know a few ppl that built some of these rifles from nothing put allt of time and money into a pass time they enjoy. Doesn't mean we admire Americans. I would just be nice that the village idiot doesn't completely screw over law abiding citizens with a law that makes no sense what so ever. Maybe stronger laws for the ppl doing drive by shooting, walking around with guns in there pocket, maybe we should spend the time on the real problem that 90% of these guns come across the border and when they get caught, they get back on the street after a year. Lock them up for 15 years if your caught with a firearm without a liscense/ unlawful carry/ discharge in an attempt to cause hard like all the gang bangers do. That I would 1000% stand behind in a heart beat. But to say we are gonna ban your guns cause you follow the laws and cant make the difference between their head and I dont stand behindQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Another trolling divisive post as per your usual track record.Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Hahahaha!! Yea Ok !! Divisive ??? How ?? Back that up Gilly !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Well I value your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pair88
Try reading your own posts,how many times you resort to name calling,almost to many to count.I like to read your opinion on topics I just do not agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Boys, boys......stop feeding the Trolls.
I saw it a movie if you feed them they keep coming back for more lol it's bad news bears after the first taste lolQuote:
Originally Posted by terrym
We had a deficit of 100 Billion or close to it for those 4 years what is there to prove.
The economy was rocking Trudeau does not deny the deficit so why would you.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
That is not an answer to the question...... Would you rather the feds did nothing to help out those in need? Or rather help with that, 'free money' , that we are all going to have to pay for , somehow. Every other country is doing it. Or, let our people suffer, the consequences of a crashing economy, and be the only industrialized country to do so. What is it , help, or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Nothing else to do all day while I am sitting at the computer working and waiting on people to answer my emails. :)
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Originally Posted by terrym
There was no need to run a deficit during the good times. The country was working at the lowest employment level. Not sure what you don't understand. The Liberals trew 100 billion away for fun.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
GST will be going back up to 7% and then hit our pay checks and take some more before it gets in our hands
I don't understand why you will not answer a straightforward question. Does government at all levels , help the citizens with money that will need to be made up later, somehow, ( we know how) or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Even trump was smart enough to have a emergency fund for these situations lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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There was very little help needed not sure what you are having a hard time comprehending. We had the lowest unemployment in years. Therefore most people were employed. When everyone is employed we should have a smaller deficit.I have answered your question. What part do you not understand? By your comments there should always be a deficit.
Could you run your home at the same deficit level per person that Trudeau has run?
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
Yup still no answer. No explanation needed. Help....... yes or no?
I suggest you put on glasses.
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Originally Posted by fishermccann
I keep emergency money this is life 101.
A few police officers use the cocaine what's the difference? What's the difference between drinking and driving and smoking crack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
" Nothing" from my opinion no difference at all, but 1 is more deadly than the other. Many officers pretty much every few weeks there is another off duty officer on a dui . The gta has many officers on a dui what's the difference?
Atleased he kept his city safe. Our current mayor says he will do what every it takes to save a life maybe he should get into the crack and save a few lives lol hehe . Or maybe he can go out and meet these bangers know who they are but he is probably to much of a coward to hang around a few strapped and armed bangers.
Crack or no crack he was a great mayor that kept the city safer .
Besides you dont know what he was going through he died not long after maybe he already knew he was going to die . What's a puff of crack when you already dying?
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I am disputing that Trudeau managed that deficit all by himself and none of it was left by the Con,s.For your reading pleasure,source cited:Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.
Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.
https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-m...a-catastrophe/
Omg. And you two wonder why you get the reactions you do...:)
Gilroy/FMC: Since coming into power the Liberal have spent hand over fist. They promised a small deficit to be balanced shortly. They have run deficits of 20-25b each year. Or there abouts.
GW is bang on, spot on. If they hadn’t dug a deep hole prior to Mar2020. We might have been to afford twice what JT is doing today FMC. Why is that so hard to grasp.
He answered question. It’s you that ducks. All easily verified. Nothing remotely controversial...and for the record that’s what Ontario did 2003-2010. And why there was no money then for manufacturing victims...and why today we don’t have PPE, Ventilators, PSWs, or even money for the peons without going further and further into debt
Jesus good god.
As for Kenney Gilroy, his personal ratings have slipped. He’s still around 50%. Wasn’t Kathleens 11%
That though says nothing about the mood out west. The electorate etc.
About oil
About people losing homes
About raging fires
And do you really think that by going after their firearms JTs popularity out there is improving? Lol
I try to avoid stuff but holy...
I'm not talking about Covid-19 bail-out. It's all the cash he's been handing out to other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
It appears that the village idiot’s and Billy Liar’s feet are about to be held to the fire...
https://twitter.com/CCFR_CCDAF/statu...95722048815104
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Originally Posted by fishfood
Sorry I fail to see how he kept the City safe by hanging with crack dealers/gang bangers who were probably his suppliers.I think if you look at the number of shootings they were high during his term in office.
https://www.mississauga.com/news-sto...l-drug-house-/
What countries are you mad about now,if its not FN your upset about its something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Well I see you did not comment at all on what I posted so I will try again;Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.
Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.
https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-m...a-catastrophe
"And do you really think that by going after their firearms JTs popularity out there is improving? Lol"
They went after JT full blown last October along with Manitoba and Saskatchewan with the full support of the gun lobby,I don't think JT is afraid of voters who went out of their way to attack him last time around.Voters are pretty sophisticated (well most) and can figure out wedge politics,I mean with the SNC Lavalin issue and black face and the gun lobby he still won.
Don't forget. you will be reminded of this each time you highjack threads with your liberal political views ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
There is an old saying Gilroy that pertains to you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
"Put Mind Into Gear, Before Putting Mouth In Motion/Typing! "
Nothing upsets me about politics. How about trying to buy a seat on the UN, or handouts to foreign feminist groups. Lots more but why bother..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Not sure how I feel about that I'd maybe feel safer at the drug house. Or do I have to worry about a drunk cop killing myself or my kids in while they are driving while drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
https://globalnews.ca/news/6568377/o...aired-driving/
https://globalnews.ca/news/5471867/y...riving-charge/
Here is 2 of our local heroes from last year
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I read the link and saw posters who wrote things likeQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
"Still pushing forward this nonsense. They’ve already said the ban doesn’t apply to 10 and 12 gauges, and a reasonable reading of the gazette supports that. But I suppose your rhetoric helps rile the base and drives fundraising.'
No problemo carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Well at least your still speaking to me,I feel all warn and fuzzy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
You should keep reading, and listen to the interview with Mr. Friedman...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Mr. Friedman explains the basis for his court challenge. It’s the legality of the OIC in general...the bore issue is only a very small part. But it does show the ineptness of your hero !!
I can't help it if your angry all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Very bad behavior and I am sure they will be dealt with both criminally and under the Police Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
I have written on here in the past that OIC are not a democratic way to go and also I have written that the RCMP should not make decisions about firearms or what they want banned in the past.I stand by that, BUT I believe after as many committee's and debates are you like theQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Liberals with the support of the NDP and Green party could pass this legislation.
Liberals 151 seats NDP 25 Green 3 the BQ would probably vote for as well with another 32 seats.
Great attempt of deflection..lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
That was just last year in my area,it happens all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Not trying to shame them just wanted to know what's the difference between crack and a dui from our own people who are supposed to be an authority figure. Mayor ,cop ,politicians ect....
They get less of a punishment then the regular folks they are suspended with pay . I know others who have lost complete jobs or careers over it .
Cheers you dont have to reply like i said i only wanted to know your opinion of what's the difference between the 2 .
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Some light reading on what generally happens in these court challengesQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
http://www.slaw.ca/2020/05/03/no-rig...rms-in-canada/
Some thought to ponder the SCC has already looked at and decided
" Thus it appears that in the majority of the decided cases the courts have properly considered the purpose of the legislation. That purpose is to protect the public from these dangerous weapons that are designed specifically to kill or maim people. Where a weapon can be quickly and readily converted to automatic status, then that weapon must fall within the definition of "prohibited weapon". To come to any other conclusion would undermine the very purpose of the legislation."
R. v. Hasselwander, 1993 CanLII 90 (SCC), [1993] 2 SCR 398
Not relevant...the challenge will be the use of an OIC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
/sigh
What does Harper have to do with this? Or how much he spent in those years. By the time he left it was a small surplus.
How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.
And what happened in 2008 Gilroy. Or have you somehow, miraculously cherry picked what you want? That he spent money.
-your griping that I spent 50k
. forgetting my car died on the side of the road..
jesus
And as for the rest..again..
I don’t mind if people see things differently. I learn things, even if I don’t agree. But C’mon..
Well Harper was in power when lies like this came out.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY3I2ewuxQ0Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
... and no one believed Harper that this guy was lying so he wasn't as good at acting so it is Harper's fault.... it added up to aboot $100B in lies... until this year then.. who the h*** knows! Justlied will lie, Bill will lie, Morneau will lie (all based on past lies and behaviour) and the media now well paid for with taxpayers money will ignore what is inconvenient (but true) as usual... and the supporters will look for the tiniest speck to scream disagreement ignoring the reality as a whole.
But back to the ban b.s.....
Unifor
Handguns should be next....
https://twitter.com/UniforTheUnion/s...450797568?s=19
He will make a bunch of money and nothing much will come of it.IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
No I,am still scared of him coming back again https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...f-Power-Final/Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
*sarcasm on*
Hey Gilroy, why doesn't your glorious leader just ban COVID-19?
Apply the same logic, should work right?
Maybe go ahead and ban murder hornets while they're at it. Preventative measures in case things get out of control with those buggers.
You should suggest it, send an email. Because... bans work, dont they?!!!!
*sarcasm off*
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“Food for thought Gilroy”
If it’s all nothing to be concerned.
Why was pea shooter Bill tweeting yesterday in full blown damage control mode...
I hate usually hate stating the obvious....
Because he’s scared shyteless.
of the mood out West
of being caught out to be so utterly unfit and
of our reaction.
of the general public seeing it too.
I have not seen his post so cannot comment on that, I am sure there will be a few changes in the legislation ,not unlike any new laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Many laws (legislation) do get vetted, often are changed, or re-worded. Agree
Two things.
The OIC
their brainfart. If your going to pull a stunt like this. Set the country aflame over a wedge issue. No loose bolts. Utter incompetence and they aren’t even smart enough to figure that out. And the “silent majority” is seeing it, whether they are pro, lukewarm, undecided on bans..... On full display..
BBs tweet yesterday gas lighting the CSAAA. If it’s simply a matter of new legislation that should be tweaked. Aka “no big deal happens all the time”
Your not running to twitter in damage control mode. It’s “par for the coarse”
https://mobile.twitter.com/billblair...09934655328256
Covid is a different can of fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/w...9OjvDYRUz24UfW
Agreed, except changes are usually done by debate in the house and finally the Senate, where clearer heads prevail. Of course, this law, rushed through by an OIC to capitalize on the tragedy out east, for purely political reasons, didn’t benefit by further scrutiny. The results are indicative of the ineptness or outright deception of Billy Liar.....Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
No it isn't. Banning COVID-19 and banning certain types of firearms would be equally effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I'm not sure what kind of crazy video link that was but I shut it off after they started talking about discarded fetal tissue and diseases.
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OK I will give you something fast and easy to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
http://angusreid.org/assault-weapons-ban/
Lol.
Kinda funny that Gilroy's last post is 666 of the thread. (As viewed in tapatalk) Truly representative of the deceitful side.
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Fantastic. If 4 in 5 Canadians could explain to me what an assault rifle is or how our current gun laws already work, that might mean something to me. Currently it only means something to those who will exploit the uninformed to buy votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Same as it would be if they attempted to ban a virus, the problem would still persist.
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Fitting somehow... he uses a poll where 73% of the participants do not own a firearm, hence probably know little or nothing of the laws too. Most on that poll wanted handgun bans too... even with all the requirements there... given the fact that chiefs of police say it will have no effect, the Nova Scotia shooter as evidence that criminals don't obey laws etc. it ranks up there with a poll of bike riders saying we should ban cars since they don't use them
I don't think the Angus Reid folks know when they call around the general population if they are getting a gun owner or not,to my knowledge its a cross country sampling.As such it will probably reflect in a cross country general election.Not that I,am suggesting any party in the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
will decide on a "vote for me I,am bringing back assault rifles policy", that is probably not going to happen.
Well I give Canadians a little more respect, I think they know exactly what an assault rifle is,they hear and read about it in daily media and have all heard about mass shootings.I suppose next election you can talk to friends and relatives and say your supporting the party that brings back assault rifles,but that really does not sound very appealing to most folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
It had to happen to somebody,most threads don't get over 12,000 views and over 600 replies.....Quote:
Originally Posted by chesapeake
Define assault rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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And somehow magically Gilroy. You missed only 50% of the public trust the RCMP. Down substantially from a year ago....
And
“ Looking more broadly at the question of Canada’s gun laws, half of Canadians (49%) are of the opinion that these regulations need to be stricter. One-third of Canadians (34%) feel that the gun laws in place are striking a good balance, while 13 per cent feel they are too strict. Interestingly, those who identify as knowing the ins and outs of the laws are divided between whether the laws are about right (39%), too strict (36%) or not strict”
People are waking up Gilroy.
And wedge issues...
Frankly, and I am being honest. The fact only half of respondents trust The RCMP (Leo) is not only appalling, it’s scary.
The public trust is the be all and end all.
But when you have Chiefs like Blair, the G20, this, High River, utter idiocy using twitter during the attack, and many more things.....
the past days are going to have a big impact, especially when the public realizes (see the NP article Mikepal posted) they are seeing it now, just how flawed the Legislation is, and why it should have never been pushed..(the OIC) .and the smack to democracy that is..
I have feminist as friends and when I pointed out. This could just easily occur somewhere down road over abortion..it’s a wedge issue 50/50
which way do you think winds are shifting...
Whose job is it to explain these facts to Canadians? The answer is that it is our job and we've failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Our opponents defined what an assault rifle is and why they should be banned. Instead of intelligent dialogue, accepting that people might disagree, respecting different opinions and presenting ourselves as contributing members of Canadian society too many gun owners have acted and continue to act like angry, bellicose yahoos.
Over 90 percent of Canadians don't own guns. Until they can be convinced it's acceptable for their fellow citizens to own firearms then it will be one ban after another.
Funny. (Not)
When wanting to buy “assault rifles”. Police know they need to win the PR battle. They have strategies of DOs and DONTs.
It’s also being used against us. All the DONTs, none of the DOs.
And yep, tend to agree Badenoch. I’m not against our lobby groups, credit due where due, Burlew and others aregoing to make them silly over this. think the OFAH is the best. It’s more about “dialogue”
We don’t make friends if we don’t listen. And win the PR battle
Finally Badenoch, a respectful post. Thanks! I agree that it is our job but disagree that we've failed. Failing, definitely, but the last thing you can do is just give up. Maybe you're ready to and maybe you have reason to, but I'll continue to do my part to educate new shooters and fence sitters. As sour as you sound, hopefully you do too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
I agree that the bad apples and the extremists are what the public remembers, but that's not a phenomenon limited to gun owners.
Keep educating.
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https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/a-very-t...ting-1.4929832
Good thing rcmp are bad shots
Hiding something and government take are guns away
Sources have told CTV News the two RCMP officers who opened fire outside the hall Sunday morning thought they were shooting at the suspect, but stopped when they learned it was a fellow RCMP officer.
Gilroy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I think the majority of Canadians have been duped by Justin and Billy. Our government use the term "military style assault rifles" all the time and what does that mean........really?? An assault rifle is defined as "selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine". So as the informed and educated can agree that my AR is not an assault rifle - it is a black semi automatic 5-shot rifle. These two clowns are banking on the fear of the general population that there are assault rifles in circulation and they are going to make Canada safer by taking them away. What is next on their agenda - coming after my high power sniper rifle (my black Rem 700 target rifle)?
But Trudeau is smarter than we give him credit for. He is allowing a tainted has-been be the spokesperson for his bungled gun grab. If Justin ever wanted a guy that suck and blow at the same time Billy is his man, and if it ever goes south watch how fast he is discarded - but that is a common occurrence for Billy now isn't it - just when everyone forgot about the G20 fiasco.
I took a picture of an SKS all dressed up military looking and a wood stock SKS. I asked numerous people which one was more powerful they all said the one that looked military yet they were both the same gun. Did the dressed up SKS become super powerful because of the stock?
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
On that note..the Liberals really have set a trap for the conservatives:Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
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But here’s the problem for him and the rest of the Conservatives: new polling shows most Canadians support the government’s gun ban.
A new Angus Reid survey suggests 80 per cent of voters back Trudeau, a troubling number for the Tories that gets worse when you break it down by region.
Support for the Trudeau weapon ban is highest in the crucial political battlegrounds of Ontario and Quebec, where the next election will likely be won or lost.
And even though the government is publicly focused on the COVID-19 pandemic, you can bet Liberal political strategists are privately smiling as they crunch the polling numbers.
So I asked O’Toole: how do the Conservatives get out of this trap?
“You get around to it by not lying to Canadians,” he told me, insisting the fight against deadly weapons should start at the Canada-U.S. border.
“We live on the border of the country with the most voracious appetite for weapons and the lowest standards of acquisition,” he said.
“So we have to work at the border. We have to be stronger on criminals.”
asked O’Toole what a Conservative government would do if he wins the party leadership and becomes prime minister.
“I would reverse what Trudeau has done,” he said. “We will redraft our firearms legislation.”
Which is exactly what Trudeau and the Liberals want him to say.
The Liberals will surely see their gun ban now as a key wedge issue that drives votes their way in the next election.
Semi-auto rifle with selective fire for full auto bursts?Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
The definition of an
Assault rifle
Noun
A rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.
That's the definition
Sound like it was already a prohibited weapon in Canada. Before the ban lol.
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Correct......and some military rifles have 3 round bursts instead of full autoQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
M16A2, M16A4 and M4 of the U.S. Military has three round burst was because of the fear that troops would expend too much ammo in a “spray and pray” fashion, stead of a controlled shots. At the same time, they figured burst could be used just as effectively as full-auto when needed.
Virtually “all” politicians are experiencing good polling. People don’t bite the hand that feeds them. When the money tap gets turned off reality will set in.
Fishfood.........sorry but you are incorrect. There is NO legal definition of the term 'assault rifle' in Canada's firearm legislation and hence we make reference to the US department of justice and their definition of the term.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
.......and I quote:
“Assault weapon” is not a legally defined term in Canada’s firearms
legislation. Various international jurisdictions use different terms and
definitions, often based on physical characteristics. For illustrative
purposes, the US Department of Justice has used the following
description: “in general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms
with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and
configured for rapid fire.”
This definition was derived from:
US Department of Justice, Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use
Protection Act (known as the Federal Assault Weapon Ban), enacted in 1994
and expired in 2004.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/c...lnt-crm-en.pdf
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...vices#firearms
**Exceptions are included under the Amnesty Order to allow for the continued use of the newly-prohibited firearms and/or devices (if previously non-restricted) by individuals who hunt or trap to sustain themselves or their families, and by Indigenous persons exercising Aboriginal or treaty rights to hunt. At the end of the amnesty period, all firearm owners must comply with the new law.
Was just going by the net lol. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e0d74b5c22.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
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That's very true and there was a article in the NP a few days back..Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
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But former NDP leader Tom Mulcair had a similar thought in his Sun newspaper column. He suggested Trudeau was testing campaign lines during a recent TV appearance.
He pointed out that a prime minister can resign at any time and claim he needs a new mandate to confront the economic predicament facing the country. Mulcair noted that Trudeau has created $10,000 of new debt for every man, woman and child in Canada but he knows there will be another election before he has to bring in new taxes to start dealing with it.
That does not seem unreasonable speculation. One of Trudeau’s senior advisors dismissed such thoughts. “You clearly have too much time on your hands,” he said, adding he didn’t see an election this fall.
Maybe not. But one day, the health emergency will turn into an economic crunch that will likely require tax increases. One day, there will be audits on government initiatives that, inevitably, will unearth massive mis-spending. One day, memories of government largesse will fade, as the headlines are dominated with bad news. One day, the Conservatives will do the right thing, having tried everything else. And one day, voters will be gripped with a burning desire to turf the prime minister from office.
Agreed........that is why they will want an election soon before:
- the taxes come in to pay for COVID-19 and the associated relief packages
- cost savings cuts to pay for COVID-19 and the associated relief packages
- the gov't starts to audit people that received assistance that did not qualify
- the honeymoon stage is over and we are back to work
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Originally Posted by fishfood
Thank you folks for attempting to do what Gilroy and his fellow Canadians cannot. It appears that any attempt at a definition puts "assault rifles" in the "already banned" category doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
The failure isn't individual but collective. We have been collectively failed by the big gun organizations who seem more committed to continued foolishness in an attempt to attract public attention and member dollars. When you are in a minority position a list of extreme demands followed by "No Compromise!" isn't going to get you anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
The bright spot is OFAH. While I haven't always agreed with it it should be held up as the gold standard of Canadian outdoors organizations. It isn't offensive, works equally well with all governments, will fight if required, understands compromise, does not tolerate illegal or offensive conduct and can point to concrete achievements on our behalf. But sign on to Gunputz.com, mention liking OFAH and see what the reaction is.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
I agree with your post save and except the OFAH is not politically biased,they have shown in the past they are a very Conservative based organisation and it has actually cost hunters in the long run (spring bear ban).They seem to always manage to invite leaders of the Conservative party to speak at conventions.The Liberal government who re instated the hunt got scat mention for doing so.
But I see from their past press releases they are coming around and trying to have hunters come together.
Gilroy
Most Canadians don’t understand my .303 British Lee Enfield, which actually is a rifle used by Military’s, has killed millions, has more ammo capacity. But we will just use 5
Is far deadlier than any “assault rifle” we can get.
Let’s use JT favourites thing. Science so we can make science based decisions .
Let’s shoot a
.223
.303 British
.308
3 inch slug shell
Into soft targets like ballistics Gel and hard targets like body armour.
Most Canadians most certainly don’t not understand firearms, let alone what an “assualt rifle” are.
Isn’t that why Cheifs like Blair don’t use that word when trying to justify their purchases?
I think most people can look at a Ar 15 and a 30.06 Remington semi auto and can tell you which one is an assault rifle and which one is a hunting rifle.They can also tell you which one should not be in the hands of civilians and which one should.This simple narrative is all that isQuote:
Originally Posted by GW11
needed for the majority of voting Canadians.
Gilroy
No such thing!!!
For gods sake. Go to your own bible blue line. And the article I’ve linked twice
I agree that the public confidence in the RCMP and most other Police services are way down.Most police officers are "marking time" and have been doing so for a long time.Nobody these days want to walk in the big public housing complexes and get to know the bad guys,those days are over.That is a failure of police management in deployment and public criticism over issue,s like carding.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Officers are second guessing themselves even in the use of their service guns make a mistake and you end up like officer Furillo doing time
minimum mandatory,thanks to previous Conservative legislation.
For the 3rd time :)
https://mydigitalpublication.com/pub...cle_id=2655529
and I’ll tell you something else Gilroy. Thankfully I will never find myself in this position.
but if I did. Without the added benefit that comes from high capacity magazines of suppression
an “assault weapon” of say .223 would be my last choice for murder and mayhem, or as cop facing someone with a high powered rifle. Just ask cons table Vu Pham
So you actually do think the 223 Ar15 is more power than a semi auto 30-06
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Why should appearances change things?? Like others have said it's only a dressed up skirt. Maybe the public should be told the truth instead of a bunch of lies.
What about this I heard it never made it on the list but it is currently pulled from the shelves. Any truth of it not being on the list ? It's a China gun that apparently is still legal . ?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a802ef6039.jpg
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I didn't say there wasn't a political bias what I said was they worked well with all governments. They can put aside any organizational or personal preference that may exist and represent our interests professionally regardless who is in power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Meanwhile, the jackasses leading the various firearms organizations can't even come close to the OFAH's level of professionalism or record of success.
And incase it’s not clear Gilroy.,
Unintended consequences.
When all these .223 assault rifles get banned. And someone does snap. Guess what the blue line is going to be facing more of.
Body armour or not.
you should be thanking every god there is more of these nut bars aren’t very smart or knowledgeable either.
they would be my last choice. You get hit by a .223 your still shooting back. A slug? your done. A .303 british, or 30-06. Done
Gilroy actually thinks a gun stock make a firearm more powerful.
He even said the AR15 is more powerful then a semi 308.
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Originally Posted by fishfood
So we have RCMP officers murdered in Mayerthorpe, then Moncton,and now Nova Scotia, and as a result of these tragic loses where it was recognized they were under gunned,they bring in carbines into the scout cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
So my first observation is that the misuse of guns by individuals lead's the police to militarize their officers.Hardly a need here for the boys in blue to carry out some sort of PR campaign.There is no need to the police to sell anything to the public, if the public wants protection the police need better guns than the bad guys.
But who is the bad guy and when does he become a bad guy.The shooter in Moncton has acquired his firearms legally but had let his license expire.The Mayerthorpe shooter managed to borrow a few guns from licensed owners to kill his victims.
Between 2014 and 2018 over 12,000 licensed firearms owners lost their privilege to possess firearms.
Did I say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
Excellent post Gilroy. Greatest in a very long time. In your own words an assault rifle is based on looks alone. Both AR-15 and Remmy are the same functioning rifle, different hardware is all. Different cartridge, but hey the AR-10 is 308 just like Remmy Semi hunting rifle.
Very bad and SNEAKY habit of your to keep trying to put words in people's mouths,you lose credibility each and every time you do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
If your a female student unarmed at the Ecole Polytechnic your not shooting back you dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Which one is the assault rifle? The more powerful one or the black one? Same rate of fire, same magazine capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I rest my case.
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Sorry incorrect again. You cannot use the term "assault rifle" as a description because it is not defined by Canada's firearm legislation. You might as well call it a "smile and giggle generator".Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
“Assault weapon” is not a legally defined term in Canada’s firearms legislation" - could care less how Wikipedia defines it because in the eyes of the law it cannot be defined.
Fear mongering is happening.
The public fears alot so much so the world health organization didnt tell the the truth because of panic..... it feared the public would panic if it was told the truth.
They fear over an airsoft gun that looks militarily and scary could barely kill a mouse but ban it "IT LOOKS SCARY " lol.
Why did we have turn this way
I have seen people with multiple bullet wounds. I know of people who have fell down from a step and die . 1 ft fall hit his head and died walking into the back yard.
If they wanted to save likes this was a failure. You can't ban the guns that have caused the least amount of deaths and say your protecting the people.
The ar 15 has only killed 1 Canadian in almost 50 years. Why ban it because it looks scary it certainly isn't to save lives that they promised to do.
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Did the NS shooter have a licience to own or acquire?. Did he possess illegal firearms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
And how many of those 12000 killed people with their firearms?..
You can say its based on looks,you can say its what the public associates with mass shootings here and in the USA,you can say it looks like a weapon of war,any way you want to put it. Perception is everything hunters,target shooters,snipers, all perceive any particular gun differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
"In psychology and the cognitive sciences, perception is the process of getting, interpreting, selecting, and organizing sensory information. It includes the collection of data from sense organs through to the interpretation made by the brain. ... Perception is a lot more than just "information coming in".
If the general public perceives an assault rifle as a different threat level to them as let's say a generally recognized hunting rifle they will be inclined to support a ban.
I suppose the opposition must overcome that bad perception.
And that’s what happened to Vu Pham as well.
Differences between your carbine, and “ours”. Magazine capacity and I’m sure kinetic energy/foot pounds.
No-one has ever said .223s arent lethal. Especially against unarmed, and unarmored civilians. But you still have to hit them in the right places.
Not that I’d ever want to be hit myself. But if I had to choose between eating a.223 or slug to the arm/shoulder/gut/leg. Or with body armour. You have a chance vs a .223 Gilroy. Any of the above. Your done.
I can’t remember the shooters name that jumped Vu Pham, and then a prolonged shootout with the 2nd Opp officer. Fred something. He was 70 years old, got hit 6 times by I’m guessing a glock or sig. The 7th, and final shot was a lucky ricochet off pavement that hit him in the head.
Point being.
Well a few.
And yes, carbines. Is the name Leo use for them. Funny, when they want to ban them, the name changes to oh so scary “assault weapon”
“Kill the most the fastest.” Is what Blair and JT say in the media....please.
They all carry 5. I think, No I know, I can cause far more havoc and carnage with a high powered rifle, or my slugs...far more, far faster.
Your first sentence is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
First off our laws are not the same as the USA cant base it on that. We are Canada, Canadians not American citizens.
Secondly the ar15 they keep referring to has never ever been involved in a mass shooting in Canadian history.
So the public is being lied to ? To vote on these bans? On looks not what kills more .
They are all racist if you judge a book by the cover. And you wonder why society if fallen to poop .
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I do not know if the NS shooter ever had a license to own or acquire a firearms. It would make no difference on this forum because if he had a license you would say the system failed and if he did not have a license you would say he is just a criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The 12,000 who lost their licenses, there is no stat,s I can see on how many people they killed.But you miss the whole point of prevention of crime,so maybe you should ask "how many crimes were prevented by these licenses being revoked".
Prevention of crimes???mmQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You mean like tackle the problem seems the most common place for these guns coming in to prevent them is getting the least amount of funding.
The boarders our government speak so freely of .
Prevention of a crime that only hits law abiding citizens is not the right route.
If I was them I would be more concerned about why 90 percent of the guns used on the streets are linked back to the usa .
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I think its fairly safe to say that the Canadian exposure to American gun violence has its effect on their feelings of safety.The Canadian public have been told exactly what is banned,I do not think they care if the gun fires 5 bullets their way or 30 bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
If the protesters of this ban want to base a public relations campaign with the general public on how many shot's a gun will fire or what caliber of bullet is heading for their noggins, .223..... fire away.
ohh so now we are speculating.......well then if its how much crime could be prevented and we tie that to human lives then you and I both know we shouldn't be talking about guns. Alcohol is far deadlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Your chasing your tail, you want free and unfettered access to guns,thanks to the gun manufacturers in the USA who see no problem with the carnage down there AND at the same time you demand that magically the police and border security intercept illegal guns on the biggest undefended boarder.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
How exactly would you achieve this if you were the boss.
Well considering we are on a hunting forum talking guns,why would we divert away from that topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by huntervinni
Do you think that taking away 12,000 licenses did nothing for prevention?
Maybe Gilroy.
Perceptions in the public. Are heavily skewed by lying politicians ( do you know any honest ones), lying or misleading police/police chiefs, anti gun lobbyist ( do you know any honest ones)
And they are very susceptible to that BS, because they don’t know a lot about firearms or laws, or the source of the problems. Most of us grew thinking Santa Claus was real too. Because people told us so...
95% of them don’t read half the stuff they should read. Our soceity has never been so well informed and so ill informed at the same time...And only read when headlines...No that’s not the right name either. When the click bait is
Madman shoots 22
Shootout at Jane/Finch.
Assault rifle
And then people like Blair, JT others get their faces and lies in the media.
Just saying.
Always like to hear your opinion,s guys its another wedge issue you either fall on one side or the other.
Wedge issue
“Yep”
Gilroy.
As a cop, a boots on the ground cop, especially one that spent time between Parliament and River, Gerrard and Queen.
Would you rather have .223s taken from people who are rarely around those areas. And only once in a blue moon cause trouble.
Or $50,000,000 every year, for 20 years for more boots, more intelligence. And let’s sweeten the deal. Carding back? I think we all know, what you want.
The more time, effort, resources, howling at politicians for do no good measure. The less there is for what you want, and the longer you will wait for it..
So join us, help us educate the public
Ya didn't you notice or government was mad when they wanted to send us troops near by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
We wouldn't want to slow cocaine and prohibited fire arms coming in the government needs the money. Many pay taxes on the cocaine coming in . As long as the government is making money tho lol.
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Actually you did
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Post the quote?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
How quickly do the lads and ladies on this forum forget and then they complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
ON THIS VERY FORUM WHEN WE WERE DEBATING THE SCRAPPING OF THE LONG GUN REGISTRY (GW AND yourself included) SHOULD REMEMBER I SAID THE FOLLOWING "Gun owners should be seen to be reasonable and who will accept their responsibilities,for ownership,storage and so forth.For the most part almost every one of us complied and went along with the registry.
Then some bright lads on the pro gun side aided by Mr Harper decided this was there wedge issue,divide and conquer and win an election.
So you won, BUT I also told you that you might win the battle but lose the war AND they would come back at you with ban's on firearms.
I rest my case.
P.S. One of our own eminent forum members is out there somewhere and I would leave the task of educating the public in his hands.
Well,I gotta hand it to you,Gilroy. When you're right,you're really right. This current government is taking idealogical,vindictive politics to a whole new level we've never seen before,all driven by a small very vocal cadre of gun control adherents. For Canada,politically,that ain't good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Yes we do know the Shooter did not have a license the RCMP stated it and you know that yourself it has been posted in threads you have been engaged in.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
There is a whole bunch of gun rights groups playing from the NRA model that should be taking some of the blame here.They want to drag all hunters into their own fight with the government even although some of us do not want to go there.Do any of you folk's believe that big vote Provinces like Ontario and Quebec are going to get pushed around.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I can engage in any number of threads but the RCMP has made various claims about the license,a quick check right now reveals:Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
"Meanwhile, RCMP have said they believe most of the Nova Scotia gunman’s weapons were obtained from the United States. Investigators have said they have a “fairly good idea” he didn’t have a licence to possess firearms in Canada."
https://globalnews.ca/news/6897787/n...ult-rifle-ban/
That was posted 2nd May 2020.
Quebec already pushed back last year with their provential "gun registry" there was apparently 19% compliance and that was from information to the prior gun registration as well as guns that were in stores and stock not purchased to a nobody yet. That news dissapeared real fast and never to be heard about again. So I have a tough time believing that they can try and make this stick with that province. They didn't want to ban anything or change anything just wanted inventory of what ppl had in their possession legally and barely anybody followed those rules. So I expect Quebec would argue just as much with this ridiculous passing of bs legislation
As of August last year I would imagine even higher today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pair88
The numbers tell the story: only 700,000 out of 1.6 million firearms have been registered since the deadline passed last January.
https://www.google.com/search?q=queb...ved=2ahUKEwi32
So 1/2 the guns in let’s call it a year. That’s not very good. It’s not bad, but not good either.
Speaking of the registry Gilroy. Wasn’t the year of the gun 2005? Thank god that registry works so well......
Jane Creba kind of shook the city. Opened their eyes a bit, as did Vivi Leonis.
But the year of the gun, was the year people really started thinking about the gangs. It’s only gotten worse since around the 90s
So tell us. How much good did it do, and all that money? I’m thinking it pays for a lot of Intel, boots to deal with the problem.
Or are your upper brass afraid of the spotlight?
There you go, I should have googled as well but less than 50% have compiled with just saying I have these firearms stored in my house. They didn't even want to do anything like the BS ban were dealing with for a week now and I dont see it going over easily with many law abiding citizens that own them. Not saying were gonna start a war but I dont see many handing them over in 2 years without alot of fighting between now and then. (Obviously court fighting with lawyers and all that not gun fights like some would probably think I'm meaning)
“Pretty much Pair”
Now think about the Covid situation there....... JTs...hardly a belle anymore.
Here in Ontario?
He’s opened a can of worms he was too stupid to let be. Especially “these days”
Alberta?Sask
He’s opened a can of whoop .and they can
Time will tell Gilroy, voters are fickle. But sometimes pandaros box is best left closed. Smart people know that
Yep,you got to be careful some of those citizens asked to pick out a AR-15 from a 30.06 Remington semi will get it right most times.
Then if you ask them which one should be banned most will pick the AR 15
But then some of them will say BOTH.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6893821/f...s-poll-canada/
Lol. Good luck with that. The middle is not stupid Gilroy.
As much as we gripe about Red Toronto.
1 Rob Ford trashed the “looney left”
2 Doug Fords win was just, or bigger for the same reasons
3 Harper won 3 terms. Name the last federal liberal that did that. And his majority came when he made the do nothing but waste $$ registry an issue. The public is waking up. And they are getting pissed that you guys aren’t doing your jobs
Wanted to include in those timelines from the 90s to today. Because Le Belle Province was brought into it.
Dis organized crime not get to the point in MTL....the brass and policitians were forced to finally do something about
The problem?
I think your providing proof that wedge issue,s work,we shall have to await the results.I must say I have warmed up to Premier Ford,I think he is doing a good job,might even change my vote Provincially,I think his fight with the teachers and union's might have tamed him a little.Quote:
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Thems fighting words. People forget, words have power.
Happy to see Alberta’s government is taking a stand. Ours? Nothing really but a weak safe rebuke.
Jason Nixon
Today I issued notice of a motion expressing opposition to the Government of Canada’s undemocratic and unwarranted attack on thousands of law-abiding gun owners across Canada, including Alberta. As well as starting the process for Alberta’s own Chief Firearms Officer.
Without a single vote in House of Commons, the federal government has chosen to arbitrarily ban 1,500 previously legal variants of firearms. This unilateral decision seeks to make criminals of thousands of fully licensed and responsible gun owners; these are folks who have received training, undergone criminal record checks, and paid good money to comply with Canada’s already comprehensive federal regulations.
This ideological targeting of law abiding Canadians is wrong and heavy-handed. Our United Conservative team campaigned on a pledge to respect responsible gun owners who have done nothing to deserve being treated like criminals. In fact, we issued a motion in the fall asking the Assembly to recognize and support the ability of Albertans to lawfully and in a responsible manner own and possess firearms
We call on the federal government to stop playing politics with this issue, and instead focus on measures that will make Canadians safer. It makes far more sense to target the illegal gun smugglers who are arming gangs and fueling violence, than to waste untold millions on buying back legal firearms from responsible, trained, and fully licensed owners. In addition, we have called on the Government of Canada to bring back tough mandatory sentences for criminals who are convicted of endangering Canadians with illegal guns.
Failing a full reversal of the federal government’s unwarranted gun grab, today’s motion lays the groundwork to allow for the replacement of Ottawa’s hand picked Chief Firearms Officer with a one designated by the Government of Alberta. Moving forward we will take every step to assert provincial jurisdiction under the federal Firearms Act.
I should note that the Alberta Legislature has previously voted to recognize and support the ability of Albertans to lawfully and responsibly own firearms, and to use them accordingly. Today’s motion gives us the tools to defend provincial jurisdiction from an over reaching federal government that is clearly more concerned with politics than public safety. This is important. We didn’t just come here to talk the talk. We came to walk the walk.
Gilroy, Wedge issues can work.
But you need to understand, and know which way the winds will blow. This is anything but certain. The shooting took place in NS. Yes, traditionally a Liberal source of seats. But its not “the center of the Universe”...And...these days....theres thousands dying, and thousands more, 100s of thousands more going broke...And on top of all that, the “middle” on the issue is waking up to the fact, we arent the problem. Organized crime is...And if you doubt that ( the public’s epiphany) why are Blair and JT paying it lip service...and the middle will see that too...
Despite the electorate being split on abortion, no right wing politician in their right mind, will table that, unless some other world thing happened, that they could confidently...open that Pandora’s box. Harper did because he was confident....that the public was waking up to the fact, it was a do nothing waste of money...<<The very arguement that was used during those battles.
And at the end of the day, win or lose....You’ve torched and alienatated half the country..That’s why they are called wedges
By the way, that E-poll.
150,000 signatures in 3 days...
The teachers quietly took a deal about a month ago though didnt they. Maybe Ford tamed the teachers some. He's the only Premier with the balls to stand up to teachers union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Lol, I avoided commenting on that Canadaman, because this isnt the forum for that. :)
That said, I think this is the first time since 2003 all the Unions are thankfully shutting their yaps. I was a little surprised they quietly agreed to terms. But, the public is pissed that we dont have PPE, Ventilators, PSWs, enough RNs and more. I know my circle of friends is small compared to the world. One, during the crap in late Feb said to me...You dont think they are that important? I said No, I dont. There are more important things and people than Teachers....She too is now pissed about why we dont have the $$ and hardware..
If your a teachers Union, what would you be doing today? Taking what you can get and running for cover. That day and reckoning is coming. But wont be until the dust settles.
Sometimes I marvel at the way the world works. This making headlines this morning.
Hopefully, things won’t get too political. There is a specific forum for that.
This does directly relate to the bans and OIC. So I’m just going to link it. So it can be read and thought about.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...box=1588986721
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opin...tics-1.5556541
Interesting read not supporting the ban from the CBC
Nice read Sam.
The last few days I’ve been pointing out to people on FB, that by calling for bans, all they are doing is taking away from the real problems.
Dawned on me this morning. This latest tragedy. 23 killed by an illegal gun.
It’s their fault. It’s on them. The “Gilroys”
For 20 years we have tried to get the focus on gangs, our justice system etc.
And the next time some kid is shot in the streets of TO with an illegal weapon, and the next time someone uses one to kill 2 girls on the Danforth, or 22 in Nova Scotia
I’m putting the blame where it belongs.
You’re absolutely right Jben. Those that vote for liberals support their soft on crime mentality and bs attack on law abiding citizens. Limited Law enforcement assets and money should target criminals not people who have passed safe handling courses, use safe storage and have been cleared by a rigorous licensing process. So yes, absolutely the Gilroys of the world support “not targeting” criminals by supporting what that self entitled imbecile does.
They can round up all the black rifles and shotguns and all the handguns and everybody knows it will have no affect on gangs and criminals. They will still flow through the border through reservations near Montreal and people will still get killed. The other side of that coin is gun shops, gunsmiths and gun clubs will close and thousands of honest people will lose their livelihoods. Tru-dough doesn’t really understand what it is to lose a job but it’s devastating. Maybe one of his handlers could explain that to him.
I'm surprised it has CBC attached to it since they are such a liberal news network (yes I work out of my truck all day and have CBC radio playing all day for the last 3 years) if anyone has had the chance to listen to to this episode last sunday I was walking around the kitchen yelling at the radio cause of the incompetence of this host and some of the callers. But also some very good points were made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/wha...arms-1.5552876
Yea these paras says it all:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
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In short, the government is criminalizing some people's property not because it will make anyone safer, but because it can – because it knows that the political benefits far outweigh any loss in popularity among people who were probably not inclined to vote Liberal in the first place.
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A healthy democracy relies on citizens believing that they will not be treated unfairly if their side loses an election. We should not be putting that trust at risk. It's not too much to ask that firearms laws be made on the basis of evidence and reason.
Hopefully the courts agree !Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The CC provides that OIC’s are not to be used to ban firearms used for hunting or sport shooting. It will be tough for Billy Liar to dispute that, when he has allowed FNs to keep using now prohibited guns to hunt with !!! Time will tell !
I hope so to but if you have almost 2hrs to listen to the link I posted for the show last sunday I'm afraid that alot of ppl are just as badly informed about guns in canada as you village idiot prime minister and his idiot Bill Blair.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I do really hope our judicial system wont fail us this time like it has failed many many ppl before.
And that is the problem. The Libranos keep lying to the masses of uneducated, where firearms are concerned....and like good little sheep, believe this corrupt bunch !Quote:
Originally Posted by Pair88
And the problem there Rick are click bait headlines.
Stuff or news of substance?
I bet less than 20% of the population bothers to read it in any topic.
in part, it’s why I’m just going call a spade a spade. I’m done trying to “explain” or use logic. I’m done using stats. I’m done sharing said things. The only people that are going to read such things are those already in the know, or maybe just some of the middle.
the sad truth is, NS can be laid at the feet of everyone that have wasted 20 years..... the Gilroys, the Wendy Cookiers, JT and Blair, and those that have been put to sleep by their Shyte.
It will all come down to how many of the sitting Supreme Court of Canada Justices are Liberal appointees. Once it gets ruled on there that’s it. The imbecilic JT and his equally stupid Blair allowed a very flawed law to be imposed. We can’t do anything about other than push a case to the SCC.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I sure the Conservatives take a hard look at where they need to be to defeat the Liberals and I think this Lady is the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pair88
Conservative Party leadership candidate Dr. Leslyn Lewis...the Liberals worst nightmare:
Dr. Leslyn graduated magna cum laude from the University of Toronto (Trinity College). She obtained a:
• Juris Doctorate (J.D.) from Osgoode Hall Law School,
• Master of Environmental Studies (MES) from York University,
• MBA Concentration in Business and the Environment from the Schulich School of Business,
• PhD from Osgoode Hall Law School, York University in 2019.[1]
In 2018 she became a Harvard Law School -- Institute of Global Law and Policy global scholar.
She has published peer reviewed articles on the subject of corporate environmentalism and international green energy initiatives.
In 2020 she submitted her name to as a leadership contestant for the Conservative Party of Canada;[17] she is the first visible minority women to ever run for Leader of a major federal Canadian party.
Yes, she is getting my interest !!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I remember seeing the interview she had, from that little bit she does seam very good and I do hope the best of luck and hope it is a fair race for her, I would hate to see it but have a feeling she wont play political puppet and have a feeling that's what all politicians areQuote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
RCMP press release including update on 10 & 12 gauge shotguns.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...and-devices?re
She has my mine.
I’d pay good money to be there when she uses reason, logic and stats in any debate with a Liberal :)
She's well educated, holds multiple degrees, has had a real job, is articulate...already way more than our present PM has :)
Because of all those reasons she would be a great leader, but she won't get that position in the conservative party.
Time will tell G. Most people aren't "stupid". They can make mistakes, they can misjudge things. Like Scheers inability to make inroads to the GTA. One primary reason he didn't, is because women feared him. Feared he would table the abortion wedge, as well as set back women's hard fought gains. Who has JT pandered to?
They aren't dumb, no political strategist is. Thats why all parties use them. The only reason, or most likely reason Ford narrowly beat Christine Elliot is because he'd had a base in the GTA she didn't. And the fact, the Conservative party leader election system uses a weighting metric. This region/seat is worth 1.25, that region/seat 1.0. Christine Elliot won the popular vote, Ford only won due to the weightings they use. So much for your reasoning....
If the FED Cons hope to make inroads to the GTA. Hmmmmm Erin O'toole or her...And don't be so naive as to think they don't know that. Thats why they sacked Scheer in the first place.
One day, you will learn that in order to understand why they often do this or that, is that you need to start thinking like a politician....If I take this road, how many seats will it cost me with this demographic, how many will it gain with that demographic.
I have read all your comments JB and after reading Sam,s link to the CBC article I have to say I was coming around to the point of view expressed here,I am on record saying that the OIC were wrong,I have said it before on previous orders and I have said the RCMP have no business making the laws.So I believe all this should be run through Parliament and a proper vote taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
But let me ask you a couple of simple questions.
(1) When the Conservatives decided that the long gun registry was a good wedge issue and divide the electorate,they calculated they had the numbers on their side?
Now that the Liberals have played the same game and believe they have numbers on their side,is it not a little hypocritical to call them out on it,I mean the politicians are playing ping pong ball with all of us.
(2) Who's job is it to EDUCATE the public and explain to them the working's of semi auto guns?
There is a solution here for all of us I have mentioned before and you guys also mention but do not articulate very well.
This is a URBAN CRIME and RURAL DIVIDE issue, you need a Conservative leader able to articulate this and PROVIDE THE PUBLIC with concrete solutions they will enforce.
Part of the problem I see right now for Conservatives is their terrible lack of leadership and a candidate people can get behind.
There is a mistrust by the electorate with the Conservatives on several fronts they have not managed to address, immigration,oil pipelines,
aboriginal rights,abortion,........so the Liberals exploit your weakness and lack of clarity on these issues.
Personally I have a much simpler list of questions to ask a new government none of which are gun related.
(1) How come most Canadian kid's cannot find job's that will allow them to feel secure in their future.(pensions,health coverage)?
(2) How come most Canadian kid's cannot afford a home of their own?
(3)How come we need two parents working full time to raise their children.
(4)How come it takes two weeks out of those parents wages to afford day care.
None of this stuff get's addressed by successive governments.
P.S. I was writing this post while you were writing yours above,so my thoughts were not influenced by your post above.
Chrystia Freeland : Freeland was born in Peace River, Alberta.[22][23]Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Freeland attended Old Scona Academic High School in Edmonton, Alberta[24] for two years before attending the United World College of the Adriatic in Italy, on a merit scholarship from the Alberta government for a project that sought to promote international peace and understanding.[25] She received her Bachelor of Arts degree in Russian history and literature from Harvard University and a Master of Studies degree in Slavonic Studies from St Antony's College, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar in 1993.[4][26]
Plain and simple the government is using a fear mongering or scaremongering tactics. I thought it was illegal but I guess maybe it's not a law lol. I did think it was illegal to put fear into someone by telling them exaggerated stories an putting fear into their head. Kinda like mental abuse I thought.
***Fearmongering or scaremongering is the spreading of frightening and exaggerated rumors of an impending danger to purposely arouse fearin order to manipulate the public.[1][2][3]*****
Sounds like our current government. Scare the public into believing they are the most dangerous problems we have.
Just another bunch exaggerated rumors and false lies to have it their way.
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Registry. For the most yes. They calculated or gambled if you will enough of the "middle" had bought in. That it was costing a boatload for little gain. They know, regardless of the topic the "Antis" and "Gun nuts" aren't budging.... Unlike then...there are today, big issues with alienation of the West and Covid, and...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/10-...stry-1.1019758
Firearms: Wouldn't that depend on who/what.
Want to be hunter: Ours
Unfamiliar public: Well lets see Gilroy. Who jobs is it to inform and educate the unknowlegable public on Pandemics? The politicians and Health officials? Firearms issues/public safety? Would that be the two PP ( Politicians and Police?)
Urban/Rural or East/West divides:
Right back at you. An electorate is needed that becomes aware of the issues...Do I need to say more?
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1) Various reasons. One, being those things are expensive.Very. Which way are companies moving? Out of here and away from those things? Answer, not the way we want.... Why are the feds going billions in debt to try and keep some afloat today...Thin profit margins?
2) Not sure's that answerable. At its simplest supply and demand. If we look at the GTA, nowhere near enough supply for demand. Why do 70% of immigrant go to the GTA. Including your kids from small town Canada?
3) Go back to the 60s. Coles note...stagnant wages AND increased taxation
4) See #3. Statistically proven time and time and time again. you don't want to listen. Its both! Worded simply, when the "peons" wages aren't keeping pace, and our governments adding tax after tax after tax like the HST, Carbon Taxes, hike sin taxes, etc, etc.
https://pressprogress.ca/new-data-sh...oomed-in-2017/
Call me T, should do this over beers ;)
And this really isn't the thread for it.
There should be a “test” you need to pass before being allowed to cast a ballot. Voters mostly vote for the leader and don’t know who their riding candidate is or how he/she votes in the house. Trudough senior was right, MP’s are nobodys a mile from parliament. The PMO rules and most in it aren’t elected.
I'm afraid the Government has mentally abused my head into thinking the ar 15 was a deadly weapon used for mass murders all over Canada. People are dying every day and I cant get the scary black guns outta my head. Oh the blood shed of these bad acss guns. I cant sleep at night afraid I may be shot next if I go out to the store spayed by automatic bullets that could pierce my skin .
Personally
I would rather be shot by an ar15 then a bird shot to the chest.
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Saw this one and just about had a big brown bear in my pants. And they want us to give up our legal stuff. That whole force needs a severe overhaul. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...nman-1.5559321
Well I think if it wasn't for the new rules and changing the voting systems to his favor he would of lossed the vote. Why else would he allow all the oversea votes they would all mostly be liberal votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
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Why would they just pull up fire away and leave ? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
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Rest assure everyone, the RCMP is the one that is making a list and why half our rifles are restricted and the magazines are capped at 5 rounds. So we can be rest assured their the smart ones saying were criminals and are crazy for having semi automatic rifles, at least we didn't pull up shoot a building up and leaveQuote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Its not the only service that need's an overhaul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherman
Given the chance to vote for a leader, she would be my choice. I don’t like McKay and while respecting O’Toole and his personal accomplishments I don’t think he can win over the soft middle so no point in losing again. I think Leslyn needs to get up to speed with the “game” that is politics today but she is by far the most qualified. Then again Canadians fired a PM with a Master’s in Economics and replaced him with snow board instructor. So who knows.......Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
It’s easy.... join the party and get a vote ..I’m not at all enamoured with MacKay either. His flaming of Scheer capped it for me. Leslyn interests me...Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Can we still join the party and eligible to vote? I thought that had lapsed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Explain how that worksQuote:
Originally Posted by terrym
I received an email from MacKays team today that indicated there were 6 more days before the cut off..,.May 15th.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
From Ms. Lewis’ site.
https://www.leslynlewis.ca/membership
I just renewed for 3 years from Lewis’s website. I think her background is excellent.
Thanks
.... love this guy.... no political b.s. Maybe a bit extreme sometimes but still...
https://www.facebook.com/COLIONNOIR/...6517403537800/
Excellent idea guys join the party......LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by terrym
“I would suggest (there are things we can do) as well around the issue of firearms themselves. Certain types of weapons. Automatic and semi- automatic weapons. The time has come to question whether weapons that can be fired in rapid succession should be available to the public, and whether their use should be further limited”. Cabinet Minister Peter MacKay. From: (Ottawa Citizen, September 16, 2006, Page A6).
https://www.change.org/p/peter-macka...i-gun-comments
GW are you still awake.....
Oh for godness sake he,s now changed his mind again,all this flip flopping like a big old Cod.
https://pressprogress.ca/conservativ...n-gun-control/
To be honest Gilroy. I joined a few weeks ago. I have every intention of getting involved. Being more than just a voice on forums/social media. A few things led that decision. Their handling of Covid being “the last straw”.
This latest over the bans/OIC. Has simply cemented by resolve. The idiocy or “looney lefts” days are done.
She will almost certainly be getting my vote.She is more than qualified. The Liberal party doesn’t have a candidate in her league. And yes, to be honest a minority female. I fully expect she will garner a ton of votes in the GTA.
Mackey knows he doesn’t stand a chance. So how might you appeal....
JBen
You got to know by now I'am just having fun with the guy's,I honestly do not think the majority of hunters on this forum really care much about this ban. That is not to say that certain gun owners of certain guns are not upset,they are.
All this money they are about to spend on court challenges is just crazy,do they not think that the Judges at the Supreme Court level and Constitutional lawyers were not consulted on these matters.I have just read all the last 3 or 4 SCC decisions on appeals from gun owners and Alberta,its all going to be a waste of their money.
I believe the Deputy Prime Minister will give her a good run for her money and yours.
Unlike some. I know T. But let’s not...
I’ll be honest. Whether the alienation of the West, the “GTA” ( note quotes), Covid, now this ( gun debate/OIC). Not funny stuff. And I hope this spurs more to speak up, or join and do more.
Well alienation of the West,how likely are western voters going to vote for a Canadian/Jamaican for their party leader who is from the GTA.
I would say very unlikely even althought her educational qualifications are impecable and she speaks very well in front of the camera.
I have to admit that I'm some impressed with Chrystia Freeland. Unfortunately,she's been virtually alone which speaks volumes of her capabilities. Her navigation of the Foreign Affairs portfolio,an absolute minefield, has been nothing short of amazing. No matter how good she is,though,she can't do it alone. She has nothing but idiots around her. I'm sure government hacks have consulted with constitutional lawyers and have considered varying opinions on how the OIC was constructed. I'm also certain that they told the government that it's use wasn't justifiable at the time. That's why they sat on it so long. Then,along came Nova Scotia which presented what they thought was an ideal justification to launch the OIC. The optics afterward is a catastrophic PR failure and to add to it,someone screwed up advising on the 20mm rule in the OIC which set off a firestorm making everything 10X's worse in the short term,but,the damage is done. I'll agree with you that this AR ban could have been a giant shoulder shrug from the average hunter and farmer,but,when that hit,it changed everyone's entire outlook and with it,the entire dynamic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Having said that,I don't believe the law suit is a waste. Anything can happen in the SCC because precedent has yet to be set regarding firearms except for their ruling against the provinces when the Liberals enacted the long gun registry. The whole issue is wide open and with grueling public pressure now being brought to bear against the sitting government,I think the SCC will read the political tea leaves and tread very carefully. That,in and of itself,should give the Liberal Party great pause.
The west may or may not for her as leader ( debatable). How many friends do you have in West Gilroy? Honest question not snide. I have a number, reading the comments in their post are “telling”. Not only in tone, but just the sheer number of responses. Kind of like this thread is 78 pages.....They hate us, specifically Que and the GTA. They also know, the cons need to break the idiocy of Red Toronto. So some party members especially female ones might back her as leader...
They certainly will vote Con, in the next election no matter who the leader is, m in a block unless something huge changes in the next year. Who else will they vote for? The NDP? They are almost as POd at BC and Horgan and most of them speak of Notley as we do Wynne....
And now, on top of everything else, JT (and red Toronto) want their guns.......
"RED" Toronto? ROFLMAO! You can bet I'll get some major mileage out of that one.:thumbup:
We will be much safer Gilroy.
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That exact gun was my first one and non restricted to boot! I used it for groundhogs. TCQuote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Brian talks about the Liberal lies....
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...why-should-you
I shared this last night. No doubt, gun owners are reading it....and I put the blame where it belongs...
Fact.
20+ years howling for bans. All illegal. Only 1 from Canada.
This is on the electorate. 20+ years that could have, should have been spent tackling the growing problem. Sleep on that.
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people that are Pro, lukewarm, or “undecided”...
I bet few...they’ve already moved on.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...box=1589215463
Even though I don’t read the Sun ( it’s a rag, kind of like certain groups) I shared this morning. With the same message.
A spade is a spade.
They’ve wasted 20+ years.......
https://bit.ly/2SWdXRR
That fact that the RCMP refuse (obviously due to political interference) is very telling...
I guess the public knowing what guns were used won't support the premise of the 'Gun Ban' agenda.
Quote:
The RCMP says that three of the four semi-automatic weapons used by a gunman during last month's mass shooting in Nova Scotia are believed to have come from the United States, but the agency continues to withhold some key details.
A news release issued Monday doesn't give the model or calibre of two rifles and two handguns that the gunman had when he started the rampage in Portapique, a small community west of Truro.
The investigators said in the release one semi-automatic weapon was obtained by the killer in Canada, but they didn't specify whether it was a rifle or a handgun.