Trudeau's allegiance

This will be interesting and a must watch. Trudeau is being cornered in declaring the recent events in China a genocide.
He has been trying to minimize it. About to blow up in his face.

"The Liberal government is being urged to label crimes against the Uyghur people as genocide despite almost-certain backlash from the Chinese, following a motion introduced by the Tories in the House of Commons Thursday."
"Opposition parties, a former diplomat and a former Liberal minister are among those calling for the government to officially adopt the position that a genocide is being carried out on Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in the Xinjiang region of China."


"On Monday, the House is expected to vote on the motion. If passed it is likely to infuriate China. On Thursday, China said Canada committed a “despicable and hypocritical act “by this week signing on to a declaration denouncing state-sponsored arbitrary detention of foreign citizens for political purposes."


"A House of Commons subcommittee concluded in October that the situation does constitute a genocide under the 1948 Genocide Convention, citing testimony about mass detention of nearly two million individuals housed in what witnesses described as concentration camps and who are subjected to psychological, physical and sexual abuse. They are also forbidden from speaking their language and practising their religion, subject to mass surveillance, forced labour, and “inhuman measures” to reduce the population, the committee found."

"Earlier this week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said while there are “tremendous human rights abuses” happening in Xinjiang, the word genocide is an “extremely loaded” one, and Canada should study whether the term applies in this case."

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...urs-a-genocide

Just like the little weasel he is, trying not to talk badly about his role models.

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He doesn't want the upset the Chinese they may steal his election :)

I think after all the mounting evidence and the denials by China...The Village Idiot will have to 'Fish or cut bait' before he goes for re-election.

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Canada is significantly less dependent on trade with China than allies like Australia or New Zealand, amounting to four per cent of external trade, and most of that is in goods that have a global market, Burton said.

“The ability of the Chinese government to engage in serious trade retaliation against Canada is, objectively speaking, rather limited and because of the close to 3-1 trade imbalance between Canada and China, any reciprocal trade action would be more damaging to Chinese interests than Canadian interests,” he said.

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That, right there, is a chief reason I'm so "puzzled and concerned" about all things Trudeua/Liberals and China. In another thread, someone, can't recall who said "What can we do about it".
Answer; Lots. Can start with Soy and barley.

Another puzzling aspect, is that we are not the only country in the world with increasingly tense relations. Yet, we seem to be the only country China is really intimidating like the pansies we are.
So what gives

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Originally Posted by JBen

That, right there, is a chief reason I'm so "puzzled and concerned" about all things Trudeua/Liberals and China. In another thread, someone, can't recall who said "What can we do about it".
Answer; Lots. Can start with Soy and barley.

Another puzzling aspect, is that we are not the only country in the world with increasingly tense relations. Yet, we seem to be the only country China is really intimidating like the pansies we are.
So what gives

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Well Having posed the question to you "what can we do about it"

Your answer seems a little inadequate, we cut of barley and soy ,could they now source it some where else and what would that do to our farmers.

Its like Erin's boycotting the Olympics' in Beijing suggestion, great for him but what about the athletes who might only get one crack at the games an have trained so hard.

I see it in practical terms Canada with 40 million soul's and China with about 1 billion more, economy of scale type of thing.

Was it you?
How many times through history, might you say there's been some type of conflict that didn't resort to some pain, for either side, or even clear cut winners?

And while things are rarely straightforward. How did you miss reading this. Honestly, sometimes I'm left.......

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Canada is significantly less dependent on trade with China than allies like Australia or New Zealand, amounting to four per cent of external trade, and most of that is in goods that have a global market, Burton said.

“The ability of the Chinese government to engage in serious trade retaliation against Canada is, objectively speaking, rather limited and because of the close to 3-1 trade imbalance between Canada and China, any reciprocal trade action would be more damaging to Chinese interests than Canadian interests,” he said.].

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And do you really think Terry, that wee little old Canada is or would be the only country saying enough is enough. Do we not have allies? Other places that would happily buy our goods, while also giving China the gears?

Trudeau is in love with China, After all he loves communist dictatorship
https://youtu.be/tVusYrv2jIU

The Chinese communists own Trudeau lock,stock and barrel. He'll be a good little commie as long as President Xi tells him to be.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Was it you?
How many times through history, might you say there's been some type of conflict that didn't resort to some pain, for either side, or even clear cut winners?

And while things are rarely straightforward. How did you miss reading this. Honestly, sometimes I'm left.......



And do you really think Terry, that wee little old Canada is or would be the only country saying enough is enough. Do we not have allies? Other places that would happily buy our goods, while also giving China the gears?

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Now your on the ball, we would need a lot of countries to join us in the problem.

Just curious, while that would be nice and almost a certainty. Do you see the US rolling over? Did you forget we can sell all kinds of stuff to the EU, and that China is just a very small part of trade balances.....Did you see or read that requirement in Burtons comments? Or did he say our passivity is making the situation worse ( usually happens doesn't it?) and that we have little to worry about trade retaliation because we hold the cards....

Do you think you know better than he? I mean he's just an expert on China amongst other things.
Bu Charles Burton, a former diplomat in Beijing and China and senior fellow with the Macdonald-Laurier Institute

As I said, I sometimes don't how to respond to things...By all means, have your own opinion. But have some ammunition or at the very least read what other experts think. How did you miss reading that....................

I suspect Trudeau himself cares little about Genocide after all his father was friends with some of the worse dictators in the world. His father was a coward and rode a bike around Quebec wearing a Nazi helmet.

It seems the Coward of the Cottage will be a No Show today.
https://tnc.news/2021/02/21/pm-trude...0RGczEW7e-aC1I

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This is an issue that matters deeply to me, to all Canadians. We will continue to work with our partners and allies to take this seriously. We’re still reflecting very carefully on the best path forward for Canada,

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Be it this, vaccines, trade, hostages, and more.

So seriously, like most of the past year he's dialing it in. All about appearances. Heck, he can't even be bothered to dial this in. Wonder why.

Truedope is a total donkey clown. I could go too most grade schools in this country and find students that could or can run country better than that degenerat.

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

It seems the Coward of the Cottage will be a No Show today.
https://tnc.news/2021/02/21/pm-trude...0RGczEW7e-aC1I

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Seriously!?!
The guy doesn't even have the danglers to show up, backed by Canada and denounce his daddy's actions. A true hero of Canada, let me tell you.

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https://i.imgur.com/ULeJzQ4.jpg

^^^^^^^^ that sums it up perfectly!

He walked out on the Admiral Norman apology too..... a man child that is a liar, unethical and incompetent.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politi...cide-1.5319243

And the rest of the yellow buggers follow.

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Originally Posted by oaknut

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politi...cide-1.5319243

And the rest of the yellow buggers follow.

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And there you have it. A corrupt Trudeau cabinet.

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Originally Posted by impact

And there you have it. A corrupt Trudeau cabinet.

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Every last one of them that doesn't stand up with a voice either for or against should get the boot permanently! They stand there and scream about misogyny, racism and acceptance but they dare not step on daddy's toe.

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"Every last one of them that doesn't stand up with a voice either for or against should get the boot permanently! They stand there and scream about misogyny, racism and acceptance but they dare not step on daddy's toe."

Take note that everyone that stood up to condemn China's genocide is also pledging allegiance to Canada today. This will play an important role in the near future.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

He walked out on the Admiral Norman apology too..... a man child that is a liar, unethical and incompetent.

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You forgot “ corrupt weasel”, and I mean no disrespect to weasels !!!

What a TOTALLY spineless coward and so is anyone that followed his lead in the house of Commons today. I think the liberals should change their party colour from red to yellow it would suit them perfectly!

"Worst govt ever in the 5 eyes" - Canada

https://www.facebook.com/OntarioProu...70047116606712

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Originally Posted by mosquito

"Worst govt ever in the 5 eyes" - Canada

https://www.facebook.com/OntarioProu...70047116606712

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Really,it's only 4 eyes. Canada has gone blind as a bat.....and the rest of them know it,too.

The media is not letting up on the genocide happening in China.

"Chinese officials followed up with a campaign of mass internment, killings of Uighur leaders, forcible sterilisations, separating children from their families, and destroying the Turkic Muslim group’s identity, including by demolishing mosques and other sacred sites."

"The United States government, the Canadian and Dutch parliaments have already labelled China’s treatment of the Uighurs genocide, while Washington has also imposed sanctions on several Chinese officials over the rights abuses in Xinjiang."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ng-says-report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsFCgtJcgZM

I can't decide if he's doing this because Turdeau is weak, or whether he's lining his pockets with Chinese money??

Weak that's a sure thing no doubt about that. I'll also add corrupt,useless and laughing stock to the world to name a few and lining his pockets with Chinese money I don't know but could be very well possible.

Well we know he is an adapt liar and admires a dictatorship that has imprisoned and killed indiscriminately for power.... so what could they have, some are possible, some much less so but I have heard:
1) bribed
- lots of ideas here
- power and position (dictator of the People's Republic of Canada)
2) blackmailed
- previous student
- other indiscretions
- who daddy really is ( correspondence, DNA....)

China has nothing, he is just an ideologue and dislikes Canada's freedoms, democracy, hard work and integrity.


Hard to say, 1b looks most likely but the N/A is possible..... it's just his allegiance isn't with Canada, the Commonwealth or the free loving it seems.

Canada's immigration minister defends outsourcing visa office to company run by Beijing police
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...beijing-police
Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino said he is confident a contract with a company owned by the Beijing police adequately protects personal information of people applying to Canada for visas.



Get the idea that China is running things?

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Canada's immigration minister defends outsourcing visa office to company run by Beijing police
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...beijing-police
Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino said he is confident a contract with a company owned by the Beijing police adequately protects personal information of people applying to Canada for visas.



Get the idea that China is running things?

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Conservatives once again had been running the show I am sure they did their due diligence.

"Public Safety Minister Bill Blair says he assumes security authorities signed off on an arrangement to allow a company owned by a Chinese police force to run Canada's visa application centre in Beijing.

Blair says he can only make assumptions because the arrangement was put in place in 2008, under the previous Conservative government."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bil...hina-1.5929035

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Conservatives once again had been running the show I am sure they did their due diligence.

"Public Safety Minister Bill Blair says he assumes security authorities signed off on an arrangement to allow a company owned by a Chinese police force to run Canada's visa application centre in Beijing.

Blair says he can only make assumptions because the arrangement was put in place in 2008, under the previous Conservative government."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bil...hina-1.5929035

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I am sure they did at the time....since the comments are coming from Blair and on CBC that would usually put it in fake news but this issue isn't new, it is ongoing from I believe 3 or 4 years in the past*. I'm sure in 2008 unlike Justlied Trudeau and Bill "no Facts" Blair at the time there was concern and the choice looked good or the options were small or likely just the one. In China a huge number of companies are run by the government, ones like Huawai for example, that one banned in most other countries due to that, but not Canada. The only Canadian company that is banned is SNC by the IMF and World Bank etc. over it's corruption.

So a quick look shows it is on record that the company:

1) based on this having come up in the past* it seems they didn't know the association in 2008
2) They are the same company used by several other countries

* I'm sure that Fulong Gong and human rights groups brought this up atleast 3 or 4 years ago, Anastasia Lin? Human rights Watch? Amnesty International? I will have to see if I can find it later. If it was the Office of Religious Freedom department the Liberals shut down the report is likely history with that department too though.

This is something I found on a quick look but not the original
"Guy Saint-Jacques, who was Canada’s ambassador to China between 2012 and 2016, is reported as saying it’s best to assume there is no privacy for visa applications made in China. “You can bet the Chinese government is interested in knowing who is going to study where abroad, who is going as a tourist and who wants to leave and immigrate.” Similar concerns have been raised in the United Kingdom."


So I wonder if the Liberals have the integrity to fix it since it is known now?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Conservatives once again had been running the show I am sure they did their due diligence.

"Public Safety Minister Bill Blair says he assumes security authorities signed off on an arrangement to allow a company owned by a Chinese police force to run Canada's visa application centre in Beijing.

Blair says he can only make assumptions because the arrangement was put in place in 2008, under the previous Conservative government."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bil...hina-1.5929035

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To be fair, China/Canada relations have deteriorated seriously since 2008. China can no longer be trusted......period. Billy Liar should have been on top of this long ago !!!!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

To be fair, China/Canada relations have deteriorated seriously since 2008. China can no longer be trusted......period. Billy Liar should have been on top of this long ago !!!!

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That all depends on who CSIS answers to,Bill Blair or Harjit Sajan. Intel gathering is the sole domain of CSIS.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That all depends on who CSIS answers to,Bill Blair or Harjit Sajan. Intel gathering is the sole domain of CSIS.

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That would be Billy Liar !

Would not surprise me in the slightest if Trudeau was giving sensitive data to the Chinese.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Would not surprise me in the slightest if Trudeau was giving sensitive data to the Chinese.

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Well we are training Chinese troops so it would be no surprise that the Little Potato is rotten

It is fair to point out the previous admin initiated it. No different than pointing out McGuinty is responsible for all the wind contracts.

Classic Liberal response though because the question is “what are you doing about it”.
/crickets.


Classic Bill Blair also. He who always throws others under the bus. Laughable also that he “assumes”. Scuze me, isn’t it your job and responsibility to KNOW?

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Canada's immigration minister defends outsourcing visa office to company run by Beijing police
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...beijing-police
Immigration Minister Marco Mendicino said he is confident a contract with a company owned by the Beijing police adequately protects personal information of people applying to Canada for visas.



Get the idea that China is running things?

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WE MUST BE FRIGGIN IDIOTS!! WE HAVE TO BE!! We cannot even process our own visas in Canada ... need China to do even that.
When will they be blowing our noses and wiping our butts?? Soon ... I guess.

This government is SOOOOOOO pathetic, I cannot even joke about it anymore.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Would not surprise me in the slightest if Trudeau was giving sensitive data to the Chinese.

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Isn't that Treason?

WION (India news) talks more about the two Michaels detained by China than Canadian media... "retributions for geopolitical skirmishs"
https://www.facebook.com/WIONews/videos/863398070871480

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Well we are training Chinese troops so it would be no surprise that the Little Potato is rotten

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https://www.army.mil/article/115126/...field_exchange

https://www.civilbeat.org/beat/ameri...rom-schofield/

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https://www.army.mil/article/115126/...field_exchange

https://www.civilbeat.org/beat/ameri...rom-schofield/

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Good, being able to work with the Chinese in a disaster is a good thing. It is a benefit for both when they will come in contact with each other in disasters.
"Both militaries have responded to natural disasters in real life, occasionally coordinating. Chinese peacekeepers and American troops cooperated in the aftermath of the 2010 Haiti earthquake. The U.S. and Chinese military also both responded to the 2015 Nepal earthquake."

That training is useful to the west, unlike our useless PM and crew that taught cold weather combat which is not beneficial for the US and Canada (unless you are helping China). In the news China has new threats against Taiwan, Japan expressing concerns about security, they have been launching more spy satellites and there is the usual about the abuse of the Uyghurs and human rights in Hong Kong and calling to further modernize their weapons systems in their new 5 year plan, I even heard they have a 4th carrier started and the normal etc.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...es-for-new-era
“[China will] accelerate the development of strategic frontier and disruptive technologies and accelerate the upgrading of weapons and equipment and the development of intelligent weapons and equipment”. The draft then went on to outline some of the methods that China will employ to achieve its military-technology and innovation priorities. Many of these methods are closely linked to China’s continuing policy to fuse military-civilian sectors and technologies, with the aim to secure benefits for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
“[China will deepen military-civilian science and technology collaboration and innovation and strengthen the co-ordinated military-civilian development in maritime, space, cyberspace, biology, new energy, artificial intelligence (AI), quantum technology etc to promote … the transformation and development of key industries.”

We see them launching more spy satellites for example
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...nce-satellites


So Trudeau wants Canada to help China improve the PLA .... is that making Canada a threat to democracies and the other 4 eyes etc?



The US interactions and training are practical for the real world with interactions and disasters and the other training, well it is for helping create the disasters... as expected from our PM a negative influence on Canada and the world! Our Little Potato is actually poisonous.

Interesting development!

"Canada is levelling sanctions against Chinese officials over human-rights violations against minority Muslims in that country."

"The move is being taken in concert with the United Kingdom, the U.S. and the European Union."

"Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau says in taking the dramatic step, Canada is joining its partners in calling on China to put an end to a systematic campaign of repression."

"The House of Commons voted last month to declare those atrocities a genocide, though the prime minister and all but one of his cabinet did not take part in the vote."

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...uyghur-muslims

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Isn't that Treason?

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Yes,it would be and also sedition. Liberal government,Liberal courts,Liberal media.................nothing will ever come of it.