Vaccine efficacy

According to MSM in Canada the new virus variants are wreaking havoc in the general population hence the stay ay home order and lockdowns.

As of April 2nd and according to the government 5.9 million doses of vaccine have so far been administered. This was directed at our most vulnerable population and support staff. This is 17% of our population which compares favourably with the USA at 20% who now enjoy a much greater degree of freedom and mobility. Basically, back to normal in many states.

So, given the supposedly current crisis we are in was it all for nothing? The doses do not protect against any variants?
Wash, rinse, repeat? A perpetual cycle of continuous vaccinations? Variant specific booster shots? I smell a big Pharma rat!

https://investors.modernatx.com/news...ecific-vaccine

https://www.who.int/influenza_vaccin...ectiveness.PDF

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a6

Sure. Just like people get a flu shot every fall to protect against the most prevalent strain of that year. Very few vaccines are "one and done." Most require booster shots at various intervals.

actually 34% of the US have their first dose compared to 18% of Canada, so maybe its the almost double numbers of vaccine that is helping the US get back to normal.

Maybe not, but I think its too early to tell and not sure what your motivation to fear monger against the vaccine. Even if you don't want it, wouldn't it be better for you if all those around you got it?

I think it will be years before we really know, but fear mongering in either direction of this issue isn't helpful. Like most things in life, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. Media being one extreme, and the covid doesn't exist crowd being the other in my small, limited thinking, sheepish, brainwashed, (trying to think of all the insults people will no doubt be thinking to save them the effort to name call) mind.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

actually 34% of the US have their first dose compared to 18% of Canada, so maybe its the almost double numbers of vaccine that is helping the US get back to normal.

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Actually it's becasue the states have a greater % of their population ( thanks to Trump Supports) who have got the virus and recovered with natural herd immunity...because they didn't lock down and send their kids home.

Canada hung it's hat on keeping everyone home by LAW; closing by closing businesses, paying workers with CERB to refuse work and keeping the kids at home. They want 100% vaccinated ( with an experiment vaccine) and won't consider the fact that the greater herd immunity comes for natural letting people get sick and recovering.

https://i.imgur.com/qVE8ojnl.png

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Sure. Just like people get a flu shot every fall to protect against the most prevalent strain of that year. Very few vaccines are "one and done." Most require booster shots at various intervals.

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Sure, but never accompanied by stay at home orders and lockdowns.

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Originally Posted by impact

Sure, but never accompanied by stay at home orders and lockdowns.

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Quarantine, lockdowns are hardly new events. They were featured to a greater or lesser degree to combat polio, smallpox, Spanish flu and, if you go back far enough, the bubonic plague.

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html

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In the late 1940s, polio outbreaks in the U.S. increased in frequency and size, disabling an average of more than 35,000 people each year. Parents were frightened to let their children go outside, especially in the summer when the virus seemed to peak. Travel and commerce between affected cities were sometimes restricted. Public health officials imposed quarantines (used to separate and restrict the movement of well people who may have been exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become ill) on homes and towns where polio cases were diagnosed.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-h...-idUKKBN21P1N2

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For some elderly Moscow residents, the coronavirus lockdown has a familiar feel - they lived through something like it during a dramatic Soviet-era smallpox outbreak six decades ago.

That crisis, in 1960, was accompanied by emergency measures that were at times more draconian than this time round.

Moscow’s rail, road and air links with the rest of the country were partially suspended, and anyone who came into contact with an infected person was traced and quarantined.

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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm

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While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

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The truth is never in the middle when there's a criminal element behind it and nobody here has ever said covid-19 doesn't exist.
Asking questions and showing evidence contrary to their lies doesn't constitute fear-mongering either. If you want to see fear-mongering go back a year and see the original mask thread. That's where you'll see a cast of characters fear-mongering.

Just wait, we'll start seeing demanding pressure from those same ones that got the jab.

There's a doctor in the states who hasn't lost one patient to covid, over 5,000 patients he's saved using therapeutics and those being mostly elderly patients.
The evidence flies in face of their predictions and forced vaccines.
Let's not forget that half of the people are still conditioned from the original fear-mongering video of chinese people falling dead in the streets from a mysterious illness called covid-19.

This can only end with handcuffs.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Sure. Just like people get a flu shot every fall to protect against the most prevalent strain of that year. Very few vaccines are "one and done." Most require booster shots at various intervals.

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Just one problem we are 3 to 7 years early
for the vaccines we can't keep ignoring that this will all be experimental. Anything that comes out in the 3 year's will be before it'ss time and experimental .

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Originally Posted by impact

According to MSM in Canada the new virus variants are wreaking havoc in the general population hence the stay ay home order and lockdowns.

As of April 2nd and according to the government 5.9 million doses of vaccine have so far been administered. This was directed at our most vulnerable population and support staff. This is 17% of our population which compares favourably with the USA at 20% who now enjoy a much greater degree of freedom and mobility. Basically, back to normal in many states.

So, given the supposedly current crisis we are in was it all for nothing? The doses do not protect against any variants?
Wash, rinse, repeat? A perpetual cycle of continuous vaccinations? Variant specific booster shots? I smell a big Pharma rat!

https://investors.modernatx.com/news...ecific-vaccine

https://www.who.int/influenza_vaccin...ectiveness.PDF

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...ine-safety/#a6

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None of the vaccines are 100 percent effective. Any vaccine appears to reduce the severity of the disease and its variants.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...we-know-so-far

Interesting stat MikePal posted. Although the US approached did take 561,000 lives in a little over a year.

I guess time will tell, and those left standing can look back and decide who was right and who was wrong.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Just one problem we are 3 to 7 years early
for the vaccines we can't keep ignoring that this will all be experimental. Anything that comes out in the 3 year's will be before it'ss time and experimental .

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The alternative is to live for the next 3 to 7 years as we have in the last year.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The alternative is to live for the next 3 to 7 years as we have in the last year.

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Who says we have to live locked up? The old folks homes are still locked up they are fully vaccinated . Doesn't that matter ?

Florida was open for months without vaccines before vaccines became available.

Remember lockdowns were only ment to prepare something we still haven't done. The USA had room to care for 130 thousand covid patients they maxed out at 122 thousand people being treated for covid.

Why haven't we taken steps to prepare for a covid wave ? We just stop other medical needs to treat covid our hospital's are full that's why we are shut down . We didn't prepare for covid we ran from it . If we had room to treat covid 19 patients we wouldn't be locked down the economy wouldn't be crumbling.



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Originally Posted by impact

This is 17% of our population which compares favourably with the USA at 20%

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Our vaccination rate has never compared favourably with the Americans. They are currently almost double our rate. Canada 18.6%, USA 35.03%.

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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

If you want actual proof the vaccines are effectively reducing the transmission of the virus just look at Israel. Over 60% vaccinated and new cases down to +/-200 per day for the entire country with lockdown eased since February.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Our vaccination rate has never compared favourably with the Americans. They are currently almost double our rate. Canada 18.6%, USA 35.03%.

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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

If you want actual proof the vaccines are effectively reducing the transmission of the virus just look at Israel. Over 60% vaccinated and new cases down to +/-200 per day for the entire country with lockdown eased since February.

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Israel is starting to see the South African variant getting through the Pfizer vaccine. Apparently most of their cases were the UK variant when they began vaccinations, and it seems to do well enough against that, but not as well against the SA.

It's only a matter of time. Any of these vaccines are only an evolutionary step away from being ineffective. That mutation could occur in any single infected person anywhere in the world at any moment in time.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BX0JX



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We might get some extra doses from Israel as well lol. Israel has forgotten to pay up and being threatened to pay up or the vaccines will go elsewhere. .

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Israel did pay for the first 10,000,000 doses but it seems there is some fun and games in the Knesset and Pfizer is worried when/if it will get paid.

I was listening to the news yesterday and when asked about the vaccines and going back to pre-WP (Wuhan Pneumonia) their expert went on about variants, effectiveness and duration vaccine will work and on and on.... sounds like his thoughts were that we are never going back to be years before the lockdowns and restrictions or atleast many years. Hard to believe some of the experts though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVCtaiZlME

Masks, heck they can stay forever, but NOT mandatory, just look at the cold and flu rates, in other countries we see them used alot and seeing someone sniffing and coughing and red faced in Shoppers or the grocery store always made me wish we could learn something from them. There obviously is still the possibility of someone getting the disease even after the injections.
https://www.jpost.com/health-science...i-study-664181

I was going to bring up a video of the Japanese shopping districts but it is the middle of the night there and a Sunday (actually Monday now in Japan). The search on shop did show up Russian store, very busy, some wearing masks, some with noses sticking out, some not wearing masks, looking at the "per Million" they aren't that different from us.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...=homeAdvegas1?

Sunday and the time of day in other parts of the world, looks like Russia is about the only choice under "Shop"
http://www.insecam.org/en/bytag/shop/?page=4
* NOTE on page 3 there is a camera in Wuhan, but it is 2am there as I write this.

The effectiveness of the vaccines against the variants is huge.
"While the risk of infection for vaccinated individuals has shown to decrease substantially after vaccination, certain variants - most notably from South Africa - have been found to have mutated enough to decrease the vaccine's efficiency. "

Justlied and crew were being criticized for ordering many times what Canada needed and depriving poorer countries and it is more and more feeling like some of the Liberal choices and actions are beyond incompetence.

We are never going back to pre lockdown times as long as everyone believes we can't. It is up to the people. If the majority decides it's time to end the lockdowns then they are over. For now I think people are too pacified to do anything because they think the vaccine will end the lockdowns. I am not convinced, there are too many bureaucrats drunk with power and there is a certain portion of the population that likes being the best rule followers. The real suffering from the lockdowns hasn't begun yet and when it catches up with everyone and enough people start caring hopefully it isn't too late.

As far as the vaccine efficacy goes. I am curious about the testing rates of these countries pre and post vaccine roll out. Did the rate of testing stay the same on both sides of the rollout? Also does the drop in cases coincide with the end of traditional flu season? I fear everyone wants it to be the vaccine so bad that no one looks at anything else. I haven't looked into any of the questions and I am not sure anyone has.

Without undue coercion from the government I think the vaccination rate for the population will max out at between 40 and 50%

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Who says we have to live locked up? The old folks homes are still locked up they are fully vaccinated . Doesn't that matter ?

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That alone should be a wake up call. Fully vaccinated residents are being forced to live locked in their rooms.

What's going on in this country is a crime against humanity

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Originally Posted by Jakezilla

Without undue coercion from the government I think the vaccination rate for the population will max out at between 40 and 50%

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That is the about normal rate for the annual flu shot, even though we know even the H1N1 will kill G'ma in the nursing home.

What is proving out is that this mRNA 'medicine' is really only going to keep hospitalisations down..which was the goal of the Dr Tam from the first step....lockdown to flatten the curve....plank it !! :)

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Actually it's becasue the states have a greater % of their population ( thanks to Trump Supports) who have got the virus and recovered with natural herd immunity...

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Yeah that is also a very valid point and I'm sure as much of a contribution as the 2x vaccine rate vs Canada.

With their case rate, for a long while they were getting more 'natural immunity' than immunisation. Same in Canada, they figure for every known case there are 10 who have got sick and not bothered to get a test. Extrapolated, that means we could have as much as 10 million naturally immunised peopel already in Canada, far exceeding those with the vaccine.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

That alone should be a wake up call. Fully vaccinated residents are being forced to live locked in their rooms.

What's going on in this country is a crime against humanity

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That photo sums it up perfectly. Can't get any truer than that!

WION was talking about the effectiveness and the variants and it seems the P1 (Brazil) may be the worst so far.
https://www.facebook.com/45136900840...93381822064461