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Reported from Facebook in Ontario deer hunter group
"A FB friend of mine posted these pics she saw outside Pickering.
She's not a hunter and just thought shed post what she saw.
This has been reported to MNR.
They are out looking for them now"
https://i.imgur.com/0JiLCVF.jpg
Not good but thanks for posting
wow, no need for more discussions on a possible Ontario feral/wild boar population.... I think it's crystal clear now.
Most of them look big, mature pigs, that group of 8 could be 80 by next spring.
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Another pic
https://i.imgur.com/gvcMqOB.jpg
Fire up the smoker lol.
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Look like 3 different ages in that group
Don't seem to be afraid of anything either?
I was wondering about that. Are they pen raised escapees?Quote:
Originally Posted by huntervinni
Showing no fear as they have never been hunted. I would think once they’ve been hunted and learn to fear people I’m sure they will be much more wary.
Don
Can't wait to hunt them!! :)
After Jan 1 2022,they'll be illegal to hunt in Ontario. There's an addendum to the FWCAct in the works right now. OMNRF have bought in to the theory that hunting them educates them and drives the reproductive cycle into high gear making the population explode,diverging the sounders and making them impossible to control. There's an article in Out of Doors magazine on the subject. Personally,I ain't buyin' it. Time will certainly tell,but,if data from New York state is any indicator,all hell will break loose if the government is wrong. They're destructive to agricultire at every level and just wait until campers,hikers and horse riders encounter a sounder in the bush. I can hear the yellin' and screamin' now. They think there's a Coyote issue? HAH!! Just wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter
My guess would be escaped domestic pigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Well there is no ear tag, so if they are then that farm is not doing things properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Or their offspring…I’ve heard of farmers around here losing the odd one while loading them. Usually they come back on their own…Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Anything kept on the farm as an adult requires a tag, if they are being loaded to go to market they require a tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Just saying that if they are escapees the farmer would be doing something wrong, but based on the pictures they look to be reverting to wild, which does not take long with pigs. They may be the offspring of the escapees yes, interesting that they are so good around people though, probably being fed locally.
IDENTIFY. Pigs are to be identified by using one of these methods:
For processing: pigs require a 15-digit PigTrace individual ID ear tag, a PigTrace 5-digit herd mark ear tag or a registered 5-digit herd mark tattoo;
To fairs: pigs require a 15-digit PigTrace individual ID ear tag. Unweaned pigs may be identified with a registered 5-digit herd mark ear tattoo;
To sales yard or auction: pigs require either a 15-digit PigTrace individual ID ear tag or a PigTrace 5-digit herd mark ear tag;
Farm-to-farm: all pigs used for breeding must be tagged with a 15-digit PigTrace individual ID ear tag. Non-breeding pigs do not need to be tagged or tattooed.
Out of curiosity,Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Despite from being recommended no to hunt, What is the legality of hunting then before Jan 2022?
For some reason, I thought there were already not legal for hunting (NDMNRF has passed a regulatory amendment to
prohibit hunting wild pigs under the Invasive Species Act, 2015. )
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So not hunting them will prevent dispersal of the pigs.
Eventually a pissed off farmer protecting their crops or rural property owner feeling threatened by them, will start to shoot them...........and then what?
The pigs will know-nah,we are not being hunted, just ignore it and stay together???
Daydream at best.
Oh on private property they’ll be dropped.
So far,hunters can take them because there's no law against it. That's why there has to be an amendent to the FWCA to make it illegal to shoot them. In this country,as long as there's no law against something,it's a legal activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by newbiehunter
This link was posted in a previous thread on wild pigs. It makes the case why they should not be hunted.
https://www.petersenshunting.com/edi...ld-hogs/272366
Even though it would be legal until the regulation comes into effect it's probably best if they are not hunted. Property owners can shoot them if they believe the pigs are going to cause damage.
The author of that article is the owner of a hog control company.
It is heavily biased in his favor.
Rod Pinkston
https://jagerpro.com/company/our-team/
wow-Good find Impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Another great example of how personal interest sways ones in decision making "authority" -IF and WHEN they do not really bother to "think" for themselves
Looks like a local had a hole in there free range pig pen.
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Other opinions on the efficacy of hunting wild pigs.
http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/v...icwdm_usdanwrcQuote:
Wild pigs can be managed through small-scale exclusion, trapping, and/or shooting. While recreational hunting is often a preferred method, it is not effective at controlling wild pig population growth. Trapping, however, is highly effective at controlling and reducing wild pig population growth.
And from OFAHQuote:
Hunting methods include still hunting, shooting at night, or hunting with dogs, but these methods are rarely effective at substantially reducing wild pig numbers because they do not remove large enough numbers of animals.
https://www.ofah.org/issues/wild-pigs-in-ontario/
Quote:
Unfortunately, hunting is not the solution to this problem and will in fact make things much worse. Research and management experience from provinces and states that have been dealing with wild pigs for years has shown that hunters removing individual pigs has minimal effect on the population and instead breaks up groups of pigs (called sounders), scatters them across the landscape and teaches them to avoid hunters. This makes control efforts much more difficult and pigs quickly breed to replace any losses.
If a hunter removes 1 sow, he just removed a whole bunch of future litters.
The arguments about not hunting them makes just about the same sense as the management of the pandemic. In other words, no sense whatsoever. It is an invasive species, an animal and do not buy that they are any smarter than deer. Shoot on sight is the solution with other methods added for problem areas.
The wait and see government approach right now will only help in the reproduction and growth of the wild herd.
Similar in nature to the re-introduction of the wild turkeys.
Disappointing to see that OFAH does not support the hunters.
If they can survive in Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba what make you think Ontario will be a problem
Out west they say when you see one it’s already to late to stop them.
So let's start off with a night hunt that will really throw them the loop lol.
It could be safe and effective haha.
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I couldn't agree more with the statement if you see one its too late. I think that if you start to see true wild boars, we are in trouble. All farm land will become useless if not controlled to the point there are no more. look at the states there seems to be no stopping them once they have a good hold. what is the solution, i have no idea, but one has to be found.
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
The more I read data from Europe and our own people,the more sense it makes to leave them completely alone. The trouble will be chance encounters where people,pets and livestock are mauled or killed and agricultural land destroyed. Couple that with the European virus,this is really bad news all round.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
I'm thinking that any amendment to the Fw Cons. Act. that prohibits hunting of these pigs is a pretty moot point for property owners. You'll still be able to spank every one that comes on your land, as per the section that allows protection of property. Piggy's mere presence on your property would give you legal right to unleash the Mg42.
Reported on CTV News:
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/group-of-...-say-1.5665743
14 at last count. May already be too late.
I might not shoot one just for being on my property but if damage were or about to be occurring it would be a different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenelon
the ministry better not wait to see better to set up one of those pen and trap them now as soon as possible or else those 14 will soon 100 and if they split off into groups would be even worse . pigs should be kept track of and if any go missing from the business it should be the financial responsibility of the farmer or business that lost them until capture. if they are friendly enough to be on side of road for people net them shoot them give the meat to food shelters good eats
Prohibiting the hunting of wild pigs may seem counterintuitive, but it's an important step in the effort to tackle this threat.
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A US study biased in favour of trapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by OODMag
Come on guys, you can do better than that.
Who is going to do all the trapping?
You want us to honestly believe you can capture all the pigs in one shot? That the other ones are going to stand around for a second attempt and not disperse? You point to the US to try and convince us. Well, that method has not been that successful either judging by the pig population.
"Studies from the US have shown that hunters need to kill at least 70% of a wild pig population each year just to keep it from growing, a number that is rarely if ever achieved. To effectively eradicate wild pigs, the whole sounder needs to be removed at once and trapping is the most effective method. Hunting typically kills some but not all of the sounder, scattering and educating the survivors, which makes trapping even harder."
The hogs in question have been positively identified as Eurasian Wild Boar that have escaped from a local farm that imported them. Operations like that should be shut down forthwith. I wonder who the moron was that thought that would be a good idea?
This is one of the ways to catch a whole sounder all at once;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4oNA8ViuwI
if she managed to snap a pic and drive up to them and they stayed in a group, they are escaped domestics hoping to be fed and brought home.
Probably someone who was planning to stage some hunts. Similar nonsense occurred a few years ago on Hay Island when the well-heeled dopes who owned the place at the time stocked the island with wild boar. Since then the staff at neighbouring Griffith Island have had to make sure none cross the ice and take up residence there.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Nah, we just have to sit back ,relax ,watch while someone will find solution ,and wait it out.
Time already cured many of the issues on its own-just look at Emerald Ash Borer, Long Horned Beetle, Dutch elm Disease, Moose depopulation, Coyote Infestation...just to name few.
It reminded me of the call to arms that OFAH put out years ago in regards to purple loosestrife.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbk
They had people running around in fields and ditches pulling and burning that invasive species weed.
Now, its like whatever.....lol