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Just another of the many reasons why NOT to vote Liberal. If one wants to live in a nanny state and have the government run all aspects of there lives, well then by all means feel free hop on a plane and move to China. Poor Canada.
On this edition of things we already knew.......
This is such a tired tactic. Stop focusing on smaller problems then lighting strikes and figure out how to fix the housing crisis and our broken Healthcare system.
They want people talking about gun bans because it distracts from the real failings of our governing bodies. Don't give them the satisfaction.
It makes little sense to do this. Law abiding gun owners are rarely responsible for gun relate crimes. Most of the illegal activity including guns is from illegally obtained guns, smuggled into our country. Tackle the smuggling issue or the 3D printing issue, but don’t punish the law abiding gun owner. This liberal rhetoric is baseless.
As I have stated before it is just a matter of time. I will now give a very close date. Assuming Ford gets re-elected which would give him a 5 year term or if he gets a minority government. Then we have 18 months to 5 years left before handguns are banned in Ontario. There is a 99 % chance I am right. I was right many years ago that even with the destruction of the gun registry that when the Liberals got in they would ban most semi auto's and I was correct.
Well the RCMP lied about destroying the registry too and the Libs celebrated. As bad as Ford is, the alternatives really are s***! Those high speed bolt, lever and pump will be next.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsjgqnZZ1Xk
If you go back to when the registry was suppose to be destroyed, I had predicted that and was dead on in fact many on here claimed I was nuts. It would not have been hard to write a script to download the data any half assed programmer could have written a script in one day.
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Del Duca promises to ban all hand guns in Ontario. I wonder if that ban includes all leos in the province. If not Sorta reminds one of Nazi Germany wasn't it not one of there first moves to disarmament public. "Do as I say not as I do" is the liebral party motto as I see it. Cheers.
Maybe we really should ban Police from having guns or at least send them to prison for 50 years.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...er-departments
LILLEY: Hundreds of guns go missing from the Mounties, military and other departments
Author of the article:
Brian Lilley
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Jul 23, 2019 • July 23, 2019 • 3 minute read •
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One of the arguments gun control advocates will make for calling for an outright ban on handguns or certain rifles is that if regular citizens don’t have these firearms in their homes, they can’t be lost or stolen to be used in a crime.
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Newly-released documents from the RCMP and other federal departments and agencies show that if the risk of lost and stolen guns is an issue, then we better think of taking guns from the Mounties, maybe even the military.
Firearms researcher Dennis Young obtained a list of the number of guns lost or stolen by police or public agencies from 2005 through 2019 and the numbers might shock you.
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen.
That includes 469 handguns reported lost and another 117 handguns stolen.
According to another set of documents released through access to information legislation, that would include a Smith & Wesson 5946 RCMP service pistol that was lost by someone on the prime minister’s protection detail back in 2007.
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Beyond handguns, more exotic firearms have been lost by our police and public agencies, including a report of what are only described as 13 “submachine guns.” There were a total of 10 submachine guns reported “lost” in 2015 followed by one in each of the following three years.
The RCMP detachment in North Battleford, Sask., lost a fully-automatic C8 — the type of rifle used by Canada’s military.
The RCMP also had a Federal M201-Z stolen from their warehouse.That gun is used to fire teargas or other non-lethal rounds.
Young says the political class in Ottawa want to scapegoat civilian gun owners without looking at their own system.
“(Federal cabinet ministers) Bill Blair and Ralph Goodale keep talking about the source of crime guns being from gun dealers and law-abiding owners. Here we have police and public agencies and they also have their guns lost and stolen from them,” Young said.
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“You have to talk about all the sources, not just some of them.”
One of the sources of the guns floating around in the public is the Department of National Defence. In a third access to information request, Young obtained documents showing 559 firearms reported lost by the military and another 14 stolen between 2008-18.
That’s an awful lot of missing guns without an awful lot of detail or reporting.
In the meantime, the Trudeau Liberals have been increasing paperwork on civilian gun owners and making their life more difficult all in the name of stopping gang shootings on the streets.
It hasn’t worked but that isn’t stopping them from increasing the rhetoric and talking about banning handguns or some rifles from civilian ownership.
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“Absolutely,” says Young when asked if he thinks licenced gun owners will be used as a political football in the coming election.
“The Liberals go by polls and they are going to follow that lead. If they think they can demonize people that aren’t the problem, then they’re going to do it.”
And demonizing legal gun owners is part of the strategy we can expect from Justin Trudeau and the Liberals this coming election.
In the last election, they falsely claimed that the Conservative changes to gun laws were letting people keep handguns in their cars. It wasn’t true.
Neither will most of what they say be true this election.
As I keep saying, the gun crime problem in Canada won’t be solved by laying more regulations on the people already following the law. It will be solved by dealing with those that break it.
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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
It’s a wedge issue and he has learned well from our village idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosquito
Well one thing is for damn sure the government will never be successfully capable of banning hand guns or any type of gun for that matter. All one has to do is look at the oldest profession in the world and that should prove anyone if there is a will there is most certainly a way.
I am unsure exactly what you mean.
The Government will ban handgun and it is just a matter of time. They won't however stop criminals from using them. The point is not to disarm criminals and they really are not concerned with criminals having guns. The end game is to eventually ban all guns.
Handguns will be banned in most provinces less then 15 years some provinces only elect Conservatives like Alberta so it will take longer. Ontario probably 5 years.
My prediction is all semis will be banned in less then 20 that allows for another Conservative government and then Liberals getting back in and all guns within 50 years.
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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
My point is that the oldest profession in the world still exists today in Canada even though it is banned. They can ban hand guns all they want but if a person wants one just like a lady of the evening just walk around the next corner I'm sure one will be waiting. Just because they ban them they will still be easy for person to find one living next to the the biggest gun nation in the world which I'm very happy to have as a neighbor.
Yes I agree, but for all essential purposes owning handguns or restricteds will be banned.
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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
The "plan" ... confiscation, no grandfathering and taking money from the Federal LIbErals..... "to address gun crime"..... useless virtue signalling for the uneducated, maybe try and go to the firearms section and get some people out to the CCFR Range day or other range days. They can't keep cocaine etc off the street and they try to fear monger the uninformed to think useless sh** like this will do something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkEnzQz3NHE
All gun owners should be defending all guns
Like them or not a gun is a gun big or small black or white short and long.
Besides guns don't kill, People do that. A gun is no different than a vehicle just some metal,steel and plastic. They don't have thoughts or feelings it is simply just an object .
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Exactly!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
When did they actually took facts into consideration when they came to enact new gun rules?
Why would they do it this time?Sad.
Fellas, the writing’s been on the wall for some time, back to December 1989 I’d say….
Join a firearms advocacy group if you’re serious about protecting your hobby. CCFR/CSSA etc
First i've ever heard of this guy. What a great start. First newsworthy announcement is about taking rights away. Keep up the good work Steven
Join both, call a range and get someone out, tell friends about the range days etc. ... ignorance, fear mongering and lies are what they use for votes, so people need to use education, truth and reality, but be prepared, there are those that love and embrace the dark, just read Solzhenitsyn's books or Browning's Ordinary Men.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...e-Day-June-4th
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...p-Anglers-Club
Well I almost completely agree with your post at least the first sentence. I will be voting for Doug Ford this time around as I feel he has done a pretty good job, maybe went over board on the Covid travel stuff but the police services sorted that out pretty quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I also agree with most of the other comments except GW, I do not feel there will be any more restrictions placed on hand gun owners as there is very little chance that Liberals can win in Ontario as long as Doug is around.
The governments really need to be sorting out the big issues like housing costs and inflation.
Agreed…the issues they have created !Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Notice though how the gun issue deflects all others in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
JT was looking like he was going to lose the election, once he brought up the guns and said that O'Toole was going to give Canadians machine guns (a lie) the polls flipped overnight.
And as I have said in the past, that will never happen! I have seen many on here and many even on Gun Nutz that have said well I don't use it so I don't care. Gun owners are their own worse enemy and the Liberals take advantage of that. Even Liberals on here try to divide.
There are guns I don't like for their looks but I am NEVER against any ownership of any gun and no firearm owner ever should be. Firearms owners and Hunters and the organizations representing them need to stand together and that sadly will never happened.
I think you will find my estimates for gun ownership and when each will be banned, hopefully I will be wrong.
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Originally Posted by fishfood
Yes they should care I've also seen it here a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
In reality it's like a truck brand or style it's not their style so they don't care but they should. They don't care because it doesn't effect them yet lol. But they should also respect other's style or type used regardless of their preference. That's what makes us unique that we all have different preferences and styles. Some don't hunt and only shoot should we punish the shooters because they don't use regular hunting guns? No we should let them shoot.
Some forget that others like different things than they do and that's OK but they should also respect their decision and care about what they use. Because in the end if they are ok with banning some guns what happens after that ? More than likely they will eventually try for the others the ones they use .
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You can no more expect all gun owners to support each other than you can all watercraft owners to defend each other. Sailors aren't going to rally for speedboat owners and many canoeists would rejoice if jetskis were banned.
Hand gunners shouldn't be surprised if hunters don't rally in opposition to a handgun ban and hunters shouldn't expect weekend pistoleros to care when hunting bans are imposed on publicly-owned land.
And shouting "if they ban mine, yours will be next" isn't a winning argument.
They banned more hunting firearms than assault rifles, so not really understanding this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Yeh a wedge issue, same as Harper and getting rid of the registry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I would say 90% of hunters still have their guns from 40 years ago, I know I am one of them so its not a big issue for the majority of hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
And therein lies the problem. They haven’t gone after my ole 94 Winchester……yet…..so why care about the “other guys”……!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
There are a whole bunch of things in life where one person cares nothing for the concerns of others, why would gun owners be any different.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I haven't been able to figure out how this handgun ban will reduce availability of guns to thugs. Unlike international borders, interprovincial travel isn't controlled or monitored. How would a provincial gun ban keep handguns from entering Ontario from other Canadian provinces? It can't and wouldn't. I guess no one has thought about that, but hey, just mentioning a gun ban will get votes from some people.
It sounds as if you believe that thugs are not getting their guns from the USA and therefore the largest arms dealing country in the world and the NRA are not an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
Associating the NRA with the problem .... so as usual you think the people that obey the law are the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
.. now given this video.... going to blame plumbers for having pipe too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_mnfGDf6DM
Oh, I believe guns are coming up through the international border. I just don't understand how a ban would stop them from crossing an unmonitored provincial border, from provinces within Canada where they are still legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Because a gun is a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Homemade ,rigged together, store bought they are all the same they all shoot a projectile out the end. They can al be tampered with.
And the guns banned are they an issue in society? Nope one gun gets talk of something that happens decades ago lol.
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There’s some truth in this, and it’s really unfortunateQuote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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Always remember this fellas, I truly believe in strength in numbers. The power that the NRA wields is immense
Well considering your WEE POSTER has U.K. Firearms all over it what exactly has the NRA got to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
But your right the NRA does yield power and the Americans continue year after year to suffer and die because of their liberal gun laws.
If I'm wrong here please correct me, but I do believe that every legally bought hand gun in Ontario is registered. It would be easy for them to pull up all registered hand gun owners, knock on their door and say please turn over your hand guns and we'll compensate you for fair market value. So this goes on, until all registered hand guns are collected by the Liberal Government. A couple of months go by and there's a shooting, OMG it was carried out with a hand gun. Now what do we do. What would you suppose the reaction would be by the Liberal Government... Here's a couple of options, 1 maybe we missed one, 2 maybe someone had one that wasn't registered, OMG, a non legal abiding citizen...
It would cost then more to search for and collect and buy them back then the registry they imposed years ago... Put the money where your mouth is and tighten up border security.... This whole thing is such a crock .. ....
Right on Bo D!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo D
Nice to see you back friend. :)
Thanks Sharon. I never left. Just didn't have much to say.
You are not the majority, you are one guy who lives in the GTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I personally know a group of people who collectively have about $50K in legal firearms that they shot on a weekly basis made illegal with the stroke of a pen and nothing that they did.
Don't worry, when your hunting rifles are on the list I will tell you where to go.
Perhaps a little more home work is needed for you to get the facts on guns and America.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...nce-cause.html
Even if you cannot read the full article perhaps you can take in the headlines.
American children between the ages of 1 and 19 are more likely to die by gun violence than any other cause - including car accidents, drug overdoses and cancer, according to new study.
No as a senior member of here I feel the need to continue to help junior members like you with your continuing education into gun matters, also as a solo contributor you do not get to speak for others. Next.
I personally know a group of people who collectively have about $50K in legal firearms that they shot on a weekly basis made illegal with the stroke of a pen and nothing that they did.
Don't worry, when your hunting rifles are on the list I will tell you where to go.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked, well for the last three elections anyway, guys like me in the GTA helped shape the outcome of the election. Guys like you in Oxford Mills, where ever that is not so much. LOL
I have no fear my hunting rifles are going anywhere and I am not reliant on your support in any manner now or in the future.
Any laws can be changed at the stroke of a pen and maybe one fine day if you back a winning political horse the laws might be changed back
but personally I would not hold my breath, but don't mind of you do. LOL
Oh Gilly old pal…Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Yes it’s a poster with a UK origin but I think you’re smart enough to get the idea. Stick up for each other before there is no “each other”.
There are lots of reasons that Americans can’t seem to stop shooting each other, having lots of guns in the hands of the wrong people is a big part of it no doubt.
Thanks for helping create the mess we are in. They have no clue of what's really happening. They are clueless of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
They didn't think of the Consequences of printing to much money. Nor did they realize the health care was a problem until over a year into the pandemic. They didn't think the housing was a concern freeland is shocked. They consistently lie.
Yeah pretty much clueless to reality
Thanks again for helping with the gun ban that so usless that they need to make talk of a shooting that happened 30 years ago. What did it do the last 30 years that talking points needed to be directed to a shooting that happened decades ago. Nothing after at?
Again usless as the streets of Toronto are still being littered by bullets but the guns not associated with the ban.
Good job lol.
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It says suicide rose by 1%Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You do realize the number of children in the usa between that age is almost 3 times the size of the Canadian population
Our shooting is up to in Toronto by 47%
As of Feb." 27, shootings were up 47.7% compared to this time last year, the number of people injured is up 70.6%, the number of people fatally shot is up by 33.3% and the total number of people injured and killed by gunfire is up 57.7%.
Thus far there have been 65 shootings compared to 44 at this time last year, 29 people wounded compared to 17 last year, 12 people killed compared to nine last year and a total of 41 people wounded or killed compared to 26 last year."
What should we do ? Kids are shooting each other
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When a society cannot even protect their OWN CHILDREN from the misuse of guns or easy access to them I hope you would agree they have a real problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Where is you proof that these are kids shooting each other in Toronto?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Please read the contents of the article
Researchers at the University of Michigan, in Ann Arbor, write that over 4,300 children aged one to 19 years old died of a firearm related injury during the pandemic's first year - a 30 percent jump from the previous year.
2020 was the first year that gun violence overtook vehicle crashes as a leading killer - both due to a surge in firearm deaths and a rapid fall in vehicle related deaths over the past two decades.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
https://globalnews.ca/news/8620740/t...ate-institute/
This kid also robbed a pharmacy the day before. 13 years old he might be released on bail faster than Pat King lol.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/13-year-o...rage-1.5749347
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...mcdonalds.html
Lots of kids shooting up the streets. Some of my kids friends were at a party last year that got interrupted by gun fire. I talked to one kid who had to jump into the bush and hide from the shooting.
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Well when we as a country keep importing people to this great nation that are from war torn cesspools that are desensitized to gun violence what do you expect when the all congregate to the big cities. They carry on as they did in there homeland as that is all most know. As far as easy access I'll call bs on that as well too most people of my generation while growing up and generations before had parents and grandparents with shotguns and rifles hanging in proud display on the wall or in closets and back doors to dispatch varmints trying to raid the chicken coop. With all that so-called easy access gun crimes were rarely heard of. I know of no one person that ever took there parents firearms with out asking as that meant a trip to the wood shed. Sadly those times are gone and what we're left with now is the liberal plan to hug a thug and penalize every one else for the thugs poor upbringing and disrespect for the laws of this country. Poor CanadaQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Well the Liberal's have spent and are willing to spend about a billion to seize the property of the law abiding.... but has only spent a small fraction of the money they promised to spend fighting gangs. They can lie, divide, insult and play the tyrant but not protect and work to solve a problem it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Some good info here. The whole terrorists can contribute and vets ask too much is telling of their morals and empathy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHpNTWFtn6M
Lots of reasons to why for the increases. The accidental shootings increased too big time. Maybe kids at home had more access to guns with crappy storage laws. Maybe just keeping a loaded fire arm around when you have kids around isn't the wisest choice just because you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Car accident deaths apparently increased too with less cars on the rd go figure.
https://www.aftermath.com/content/ac...hs-statistics/
"UPDATED STATISTICS FOR ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS492 people unintentionally die by gun in an average year.Thus far in 2022, there have been unintentional shootings by over 21 children, resulting in 9 deaths and 13 injuries.Accidental gun deaths occur mainly to those under 25 years old. So far in 2022, 209 children (age 0-17) have died by gunshot and an additional 519 were injured. Adolescents are particularly susceptible to accidental shootings due tospecific behavioral characteristicsassociated with adolescence, such as impulsivity, feelings of invincibility, and curiosity about firearms.In 2021 there were at least 377 unintentional shootings by children. This resulted in 154 deaths and 242 injuries in the United States.In 2021, unintentional shooting deaths accounted for over 4% (2,007) of total gun related deaths (44,912) in the United States.Shelter in place orders during the coronavirus pandemic have led tomajor spikesin accidental shootings at home by children. Unintentional shooting deaths by children increased by nearly one-third comparing incidents in March to December of 2020 to the same months of 2019.During the Covid-19 pandemic, there were 3,906 additional firearm deaths and 9,278 additional firearm injuries in 2020 compared to 2019."
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That's really the question that needs answering, isn't it? Every kid I grew up with in our rural environment was exposed to guns at an early age. There were no laws dictating safe storage. Yet we just left them alone, unless given parental approval. Somewhere along the way, future generations took a wrong turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
The gun laws in Canada work pretty well for most law abiding citizens but you seem to want to ignore what free access does in the USA andQuote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
want to skip over this inconvenience. We very seldom have children getting shot at home accidently or otherwise.
War torn cesspools as you put it does necessarily produce criminal behaviour, I am sure our newly arriving Ukrainian refugees will be in big cities and I do not expect any problems with gun misuse.
The assertion that "they carry on as they did in their homeland " is wrong and and is not born out in reality.
I hope we are by the stage when "parents taking their kids back to the wood shed is over".
Well as you said our gun laws work pretty well for most law biding citizens. Well then Instead of punishing law abiding citizens by creating more useless laws and confiscating legally acquired firearms, why not go after the one's breaking the laws. Oh I'm bad I forgot that's not the liebral way that would require hard work and it's far easier to appear to be doing something by going after law abiding firearms owners. Oh and by the way we aren't the USA which I wish we were in a few cases but with the laws in place up here there isn't nor should be free access so that is a non issue. The Ukraine well we will see were that goes it was only a few years ago the Ukraine was considered as corrupt as the Russians we will see were it all ends when the dust settles as the are always to sides to a story and we only seem to get one side of the argument. To your last statement, if more of these punks that are running the streets committing these heinous crimes were taken to the wood shed for a trimming they would have been better off for it. I'm sure they were the ones to be placed in the time out chair to be coddled only to get out to do it again as we can all see. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Look at the crime stats around the Jamestown, and Kingsway Gardens neighborhoods in NW Toronto.
Introduction of a lot of people from the horn of Africa, and yes, violent crime and other offences rose dramatically.
Yes, the Ukrainians aren't really a problem.....I'm pretty sure that wasn't the area he was referring to.
You would be correct on all accounts with the above statement bluebulldog!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
The high stats for crime ANY WHERE in any large city will be higher in marginalized and poorer communities does not matter if its Rio, London, Glasgow......The Irish and Italians in New York and even Toronto committed many more crimes than the average because they wereQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
dirt poor and living in slums. Would people even have to come here from places like Jamaica, Ethiopia, Somalia, if it was not for the centuries
of misappropriation of their national assets by Colonial powers?
Social Media is the problem in my mind. Dad had a gun behind the door at all times; no one touched it, but I wasn't watching violence on tv everyday and reading about violent incidents on social media every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmer
Can’t blame social media totally. Back then you would likely get your arse warmed up for you when you made those bad decisions not to obey. Today…..not so much !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharon
Well again as being a former Leo as you claim why not go after the perps and thugs who commit these crimes and leave the law abiding ALONE. With what you keep touting the government might as well put on a surcharge penalty with everyone with a driver's license as most speed at one point or time above the posted limit and never get caught so we might as well penalize all drivers. Hell while we're at it booze,dope and vehicles might as well be all banned as well as they all kill more people in this country every year then guns that sounds like a good liberal plan. Let's penalize everyone because a few road apples can't control their actions and obey the laws set down in this country. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You would think that would be the reasonable response to target the criminals not the law abiding citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
That's too hard tho so they pick on the law abiding citizens to say OK we will give you our guns because we are honest law abiding citizens . What about that criminal over there just shut it and give me your gun or you too will be a criminal lol.
Besides how many law abiding citizens are out shooting up the streets. None (ok I edit this the odd one lol.)
More of a domestic thing out of the blue spur of the moment type stuff. Just a small part of a much bigger problem.
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If you ever watch main stream media you will actually see arrest's every day for gun offences involving mostly gangs in big cities like Toronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigboy 304
Booze and dope are already covered in law. So they do go after these suspects and do make arrests, you can go to this link if you would like to keep up with updates from the guns and gangs task force and this is just one of them nationwide.Cheers.
https://www.torontopolice.on.ca/gunandgang/
see post 67.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
G , do you honestly believe banning hand guns in Ontario targeting lawful owners, because you know the ones with illegal hand guns won't turn them in will make a difference in gun violence committed with hand guns. Would you not think that money could be used in a better way i.e. Boosting border security, jail time,if even caught with an illegal hand gun, or an assault rifle... etc.
I am not assisting them they have that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
Then what happens after their investigation ? Fast bail turn around back and armed again with a few hours. There is no deterrent so it just keeps happening.
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I have not yet made any statement which would lead you to believe I think banning hand guns is a good idea. In fact just the opposite I would actually vote for Doug Ford and the CONSERVATIVES because of this stupid wedge issue brought up by the Liberal leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo D
We do not need to spend any more money but need to make the penalties for illegal gun possession very severe, so the BIG QUESTION IS if you and I and most everybody else on this forum wants to throw away the key on these gun tooting gang bangers how come we cannot get all Political parties to agree on that.
Why does a Conservative MP not stand up at question period and ask outright a simple question PRIME MINISTER we propose that a 10 years mandatory sentence be legislated for illegal possession of a hand gun, would you support this?
If the answer is NO you use that in the next election cycle against the same Prime Minister.
Well at least you appreciate that the police are doing THEIR JOBS. The revolving door on career criminals has been going on for at least the last 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Way more now. Funny thing is I would get in way more trouble taking my restricted out the back 40 plinking at some targets then a Drug addict would holding up a Gas station with a hot pistol.
There have been numerous cases where gang bangers were released only to be caught shooting again.
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
How very true unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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Originally Posted by greatwhite
Yepp. Makes no sense. I can legally shoot a .338 Lapua or even a .50 cal, where a poor shot could do some serious damage the next county over, but I can't plink with a .22 pistol.
The laws make absolutely no sense. As with all liberal policies, they are heavy on feelings and light on facts/common sense.
From your post #58: "The gun laws in Canada work pretty well for most law abiding citizens..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
If they work so well then why are they trying to drastically change them, to the detriment of only those law abiding citizens?
I believe you were also supportive of banning AR's previously (but not for Natives), and have offered many anti-American & pro-UK talking points on the subject of guns generally, and on handguns specifically ("no one really needs a handgun" type of thing). So based on a cursory glance of all this one could easily infer your support for the proposed handgun ban. But thank you for clarifying you do not in fact support it.
I agree we need policies that will solve the actual problems of urban gun crime. A handgun ban is clearly not one of those.
Mandatory minimums would be a great starting point (Harper tried this but it was struck down by libs who called it "racist"). Since your legal restricted cannot leave your home except for a few extremely narrow purposes, if you are caught with an illegal handgun with the serial # filed off outside of these legal purposes, malicious/criminal intent would be a given.
Stricter border controls is another one.
This will never happen, especially with everything shifting further left. It will just keep getting easier for criminals and more difficult for law-abiding gun owners.
That's why I said they should look itno and go case by case instead of standard protocol. Some times people just get caught up in the mix of a bad situation. But if you are going to continue to be a problem maybe after 2 or 3 or 4 different bails there should be a time when it's not acceptable. If your already on 2 bailout why should they get bail a 3rd time to go out and keep doing what they are doing without learning anything the first 2 times lol.Quote:
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We shouldn't punish them less because it's to easy .
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I believe an easy way around this is based off your previous record. You already cannot legally obtain a PAL or firearm with a criminal history...so that puts you in a different category right off the hop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
A law-abiding citizen with a squeaky clean past making a forgetful slight detour on the way home from the range is not in the same universe as a criminal walking the streets at 2am with an illegal concealed firearm or committing a robbery or murder with that firearm.
Another way around this is freeing up some of the rules for legal restricted shooters, or doing away with the PAL/RPAL distinction entirely and just keeping the prohibition against fully automatic weapons. For example -- being able to hunt with or carry a sidearm for wilderness protection under the authority of a PAL and regular hunting licence, being able to plink on private property, and so on. It's all either lawful, sporting use (good) or criminal use (bad).
Holy crap, did someone slip something in my coffee this morning?
Gilroy agreed with fishfood and Bushwhacker? I think I'm loosing it.
I think we are beginning to realize we are all a part of the same community.....Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Rather than a piece meal mess that would be untenable and is nothing more than idiotic atleast it seems Trudeau et the LIbErals aren't beyond the ability to think sometimes, seems they have been thinking a Canada wide ban anyways. It won't affect crime and like the carbon tax is only punitive in nature but what can you expect. Just imagine, the LIbEral nightmare is jurisdictions using the evidence and making policies and being proved as correct instead of what they are saying.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...al-handgun-ban
But we know that they have been known to lie... from about a year ago... and still truth. Some a bit dated though, they have been floating forcing the confiscation instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNylFu89C0
but like this video from a year ago it was true that even City News it recognizes the useless of bans, note the LIbErals wanted to add $93M to protect the border better, BUT $1,000,000,000+ to seize firearms from the law abiding and had spent about 1/4 their promised amount to fight gangs.... the LIbErals think the law abiding are the issue, punitive and political but useless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fLJfKuVVw
Evidence and police chief show Liberals going in the wrong direction.
https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1365350189765758993
All I can say is - I'm glad that I live in a country where you can defend yourself and your family - with a gun when necessary - you can't depend on the police to keep you safe - that was proven last summer when all the riots were taking place and the police were told to stand by and watch
In Canada we only have the right to defend ourselves and our family using so called reasonable force and even that is iffy. Some Liberals have even gone as far as saying that you should allow yourself to be assaulted and let the police sort it out later.
Sadly you will never see the right in Canada to ultimately defend your castle and family. There have been cases but very few there are also work arounds if you get my drift. ;)
But for the most part criminals have a right in Canada to ply their trade.
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Originally Posted by JoePa
This is what I mean - https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-as...ruggle-respond
In the last 5-10 years there have been a number of charges laid, which did not go forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Speaking with a good friend, who is now a Judge, but he was a Crown Attorney when he was rooming with me, this is basically how things are going...
We technically don't live in a country with Castle Doctrine ( BTW JoePA, not every state in the great USA is either.....you might want to bone up on that before you post).
....however....the recent case has set a precedent in Canadian Courts. R. vs. Stanley ( Biggar SK). wherein 4 FN members trespassed on a farm after an unsuccessful attempt at burglarizing another nearby farm, resulting in one being shot and killed ( by a Restricted Tokarev pistol.)
This bodes well for any Canadian who lives outside of urban areas, where police response might not be as timey as one might require.
That's horrible never a cop when you need them. Throwing stuff off the overpass and shooting at the convoy. Someone else was shooting at them when they first went to Washington. And to think our government in Canada stands with antifa while they ignore the convoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
A sheriff in Florida told home owners to shoot anyone breaking into their home. And to save tax payers money he encouraged them to take free shooting lessons to shoot better lol.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/shoot-i...says-1.5876727
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There are sometimes ways to defend yourself with extra force but it would depend on the situation. But I will refrain from saying it on here.
Most of us probably are already aware.
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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/05/...s-lambton-opp/
And in a related story…
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Anyone who believes that crime guns are sourced domestically needs to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
That was literally one drone that didn't make it.....imagine what is getting through? Used to be ahem, a certain area near Cornwall where contraband was brought across in boats....
Additionally, all one has to do is see where Gabriel Wortman got his guns, despite not having a valid license.
I don't live far from there, I'll have to start keeping an eye on my trees. Although I might have a hard time calling the cops if I found that treasure on my property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Just kidding.
But your right, how much is this really happening, but taking double locked handguns away from the law abiding citizens is nothing but feel good legislation for the uneducated. And a pitiful start at wanting to run our province.
It’s always been easier to fool uninformed voters than to tell the truth and stand up to certain groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
bone up on what I post ? - where did I mention the Castle Doctrine - don't worry I know the guns laws here in the U.S. - holy mollyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
BBD…..I believe the outcome of the Stanley trial was heavily influenced by the fact that he claimed he didn’t it mean to shoot the intruder, he had a hang-fire in the Tokarev. In the US, I think Castle Doctrine says you can shoot with intent to harm/kill an intruder. We are still WORLDS apart…no ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Yep junk lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
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Third paragraph in says it all as the report originated in a blue cesspool of a state. Go figure!!!
You could actually make a very strong argument that the Police should be banned from guns. They should be held to a higher standard.
This is an old article.
Key points to keep in Mind:
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen over 14 years.
So a Total of 813 or 58 Guns a year close to 5 guns a month.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...er-departments
LILLEY: Hundreds of guns go missing from the Mounties, military and other departments
Author of the article:
Brian Lilley
Publishing date:
Jul 23, 2019 • July 23, 2019 • 3 minute read •
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One of the arguments gun control advocates will make for calling for an outright ban on handguns or certain rifles is that if regular citizens don’t have these firearms in their homes, they can’t be lost or stolen to be used in a crime.
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Newly-released documents from the RCMP and other federal departments and agencies show that if the risk of lost and stolen guns is an issue, then we better think of taking guns from the Mounties, maybe even the military.
Firearms researcher Dennis Young obtained a list of the number of guns lost or stolen by police or public agencies from 2005 through 2019 and the numbers might shock you.
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen.
That includes 469 handguns reported lost and another 117 handguns stolen.
According to another set of documents released through access to information legislation, that would include a Smith & Wesson 5946 RCMP service pistol that was lost by someone on the prime minister’s protection detail back in 2007.
Beyond handguns, more exotic firearms have been lost by our police and public agencies, including a report of what are only described as 13 “submachine guns.” There were a total of 10 submachine guns reported “lost” in 2015 followed by one in each of the following three years.
The RCMP detachment in North Battleford, Sask., lost a fully-automatic C8 — the type of rifle used by Canada’s military.
The RCMP also had a Federal M201-Z stolen from their warehouse.That gun is used to fire teargas or other non-lethal rounds.
Young says the political class in Ottawa want to scapegoat civilian gun owners without looking at their own system.
“(Federal cabinet ministers) Bill Blair and Ralph Goodale keep talking about the source of crime guns being from gun dealers and law-abiding owners. Here we have police and public agencies and they also have their guns lost and stolen from them,” Young said.
“You have to talk about all the sources, not just some of them.”
One of the sources of the guns floating around in the public is the Department of National Defence. In a third access to information request, Young obtained documents showing 559 firearms reported lost by the military and another 14 stolen between 2008-18.
That’s an awful lot of missing guns without an awful lot of detail or reporting.
In the meantime, the Trudeau Liberals have been increasing paperwork on civilian gun owners and making their life more difficult all in the name of stopping gang shootings on the streets.
It hasn’t worked but that isn’t stopping them from increasing the rhetoric and talking about banning handguns or some rifles from civilian ownership.
“Absolutely,” says Young when asked if he thinks licenced gun owners will be used as a political football in the coming election.
“The Liberals go by polls and they are going to follow that lead. If they think they can demonize people that aren’t the problem, then they’re going to do it.”
And demonizing legal gun owners is part of the strategy we can expect from Justin Trudeau and the Liberals this coming election.
In the last election, they falsely claimed that the Conservative changes to gun laws were letting people keep handguns in their cars. It wasn’t true.
Neither will most of what they say be true this election.
As I keep saying, the gun crime problem in Canada won’t be solved by laying more regulations on the people already following the law. It will be solved by dealing with those that break it.
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Hence my friend the Provincial court justice has made note that Crown Prosecutors are quite reluctant to pursue charges in court. As one victory by a jury based on defending ones property, or family, and there is a set precedent.Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Stanley also set forth the legal argument that a firearm can be used to dissuade trespassers. There were lots of possible charges that could have been pushed, but they weren't.
We won't get into community pressure around that case, but it certainly had to be a factor.
How far will they go to make sure Canadians are incapable of defending themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twD6clbZMw
I watched the video - I can hardly believe it - how crazy have things gotten in Canada - getting arrested for having a cigarette lighter in your possession - it's beyond stupid - it's comical - whenever I go fishing up there the Canadian border guard always asks me if I got a knife - sure I got a knife - maybe a couple - how do they expect you to cut the fishing line or fillet a fish - I always think it is so stupid -
Then there is the stupid cop who arrests someone for having a lighter in their possession - the law should be clear on that - the cop should know if the person is breaking a law - that's part of his job - down here if a cop unlawfully arrests you - you sue the cop and the city that he works for - right now cops are protected with immunity and the citizens end up paying any restitution for a false arrest - there is a movement under way to remove this protection for cops and make them personally responsible for any unlawful behavior - I hope this movement succeeds
In case your interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfTZrRR7YM - I carry a 38 special
How many people have defended yourself against with it Joe?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
Why a revolver ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
I've had autos jam up on me and I think revolvers are safer - you got to pull the trigger - I do have autos - two are really small and can be put into your pocket - the 38 that I carry is hammer less and is a snub nose with a 2 inch barrel - the revolver was also easier for my wife to handle when she was living -Quote:
Originally Posted by 73hunter
Listen to the words
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZML7j9eN3/
It’s the real world in a wrong neighborhood, thanks for sharing. Tell us the other one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa