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I'm interested in buying an SKS, but would like to have a detachable 30 rnd mag that is pinned to 5 rounds. I like the look of the larger cap mag, or even the ability to swap mags out, when at the range.
Is this possible?
Do I have to change stocks to do this?
Have you done this, and where would I buy or order the mag from?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Entropy
Yes you can.
how to find the magazine
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sks+5%2F30+round+magazine+canada
how to install the magazine
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sks+magazine+swap
Kukagami Jack's in Sudbury has kits to convert the stock SKS mag to detachable. Maybe they can help you?
kukagamijack.ca
I understand that if they are not detachable you don't have to pin them to five rounds.....As a plinker why not go for the larger non detachable mag?
All SKS must be pinned to fire only 5 rounds this includes mags
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Originally Posted by Pat32rf
Another one of those specific exemptions to the general rules, like the 303 SMLEs....
That's my understanding as well. It's a semi-auto afterall.
A friend of mine bought a plastic magazine that looks like a 30 but only holds 5. It doesn't work very well - hard to get it to click in properly and doesn't feed well. Hardly worth the trouble just for looks, but that's just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
OP, go onto canadiangunnutz.com
There's a set of discussion threads under "red rifles" where you will find more than enough info on SKS mags , stocks, etc.
It's a relatively easy job. And yes, any semi must be pinned to 5 rounds, period.
Semi-automatic centerfire rifle magazine in Canada must be limited to a maximum of 5 rounds, centerfire handgun magazines must be limited to 10 rounds. This is a general rule, there are some exemptions, the SKS is not one of them. The M1 Garand was not designed to use an enbloc clip with less then 8 rounds, so that is why the exception is in place for it. If you would like to dig up all of the exceptions feel free to do so. There are some centerfire rifles that use handgun magazines, these may be allowable at 10 rounds.
It is not the number of rounds that the centerfire can hold in the magazine but rather the magazine it self that is prohibited, for example if you have a 30rd magazine AK-47 magazine from somewhere or drill out the rivets on one in Canada you do not even have to have a rifle that will shoot it, that magazine is considered a prohibited device in Canada and you can be charge for being in possession of it.
In any regs that I have read, they talk about center fire auto loading rifles with REMOVABLE magazines being pined to five. That is why a ten shot mag is the prohibited device, not the rifle. Various old Remington autos had tube mags that are not removable, the same as the original SKS mags.
While these may have held more than five rounds, you could not drop in a new mag for a continuos barrage while holding off the good guys. This was the original purpose of the law.
On a side note this exemption is pointless and speaks to the fact that people with no knowledge of firearms wrote our laws. The 303 SMLE is a bolt action, and thus by default doesnt need any exemption. No bolt actions have magazine restrictions. So here we have an exemption from a law that doesnt even exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
Actually it's not the bolt action 303, but the fact that there WAS an autoloader made that took the same magazine as one of the SMLEs. This made the SMLE mags prohibited until they were exempted. Much the same as those ten shot mags that fit the Remington pumps became prohibited when it was found that they also fit the Rem autos. Those mags stayed on the prohib list however....
Well there you go. Learn something new....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
Here is the list of prohibited firearms and magazines in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r.../fulltext.html
The Lee Enfield rifle did have a semi-automatic rifle that was made to use the same magazines, but due to the age and lack of standard lower capacity magazines I bet this is why the exception is there.
The M1 Garand used an 8 round enbloc, but now people make a 5 round enbloc due to some hunting restrictions around the world and this exception has not changed with that.
Which semi auto rifle was it? Never knew there was one that took the Lee Enfield mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
Was some scheme back during the war to provide auto loading capability to the Allied forces. There was also the famous Pederson device that fit on the actual SMLEs to convert them to fire a shorter cartridge at auto speeds. Neither one was a real success and both bring sky hi prices to collectors today.
It was probably the Charlton rifle. I didn't realize it could accept a Lee Enfield mag till I looked it up. I only saw pictures of it with the Bren gun mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
The Pederson Device was actually for the Springfield 03 rifle.
The Pederson Device was actually for the Springfield 03 rifle.[/QUOTE]
That's right, I'm wrong.....There were quite a few inventions caused by the gun shortage during both main wars. Didn't realize that the SMLE rifles were still in active government use, here in Canada. I thought they were phased out a few years ago. That's probably where all the old MIL-SPEC 303 ammo went...LOL
That's right, I'm wrong.....There were quite a few inventions caused by the gun shortage during both main wars. Didn't realize that the SMLE rifles were still in active government use, here in Canada. I thought they were phased out a few years ago. That's probably where all the old MIL-SPEC 303 ammo went...LOL[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
The Rangers actually are issues FMJ and SP. The SMLE is designed for such crappy conditions that is works perfectly up there.
I thought the rangers used No4Mk1?
Yes, the No4 version of the SMLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
SMLE stands for Short Magazine Lee Enfield, they started making them in 1907.
If you have a SMLE take a look at your fired brass, they actually bulge about 1/4in down from the rim, the chambers on these rifles are oversized. This way if you has dinged up ammunition or ammunition with crappy tolerances they could still be fired. This is one of the reasons the Ross was never reliable, the Canadian ammunition was very good and the british was not, therefore the poor british ammo caused failures in the ross rifles, that and mud.
So, SKS mags, yes they need to be pinned to 5rds but the SKS-D does allow you to use detachable mags. Another option is to get standard stripper clips that are 10 rounds and cut them down to have 5 round stripper clips, this is assuming you are not mounting a scope.
I didnt think the No4 used the designation SMLE
Yep, just a newer version of the Short Magazine Lee Enfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by blasted_saber
Thanks for the info.
Entropy
Not to get off topic...do a little google research. The detachable sks mags are not always reliable. I was looking into this myself awhile ago. Instead i got myself some extra stripper clips. I load up 5 or 6 clips with 10 rounds. Push 5 in. Shoot. Load the other 5. Shoot. Empty clip goes into pocket. Repeat. I dont really see much point in buying a 30 round detachable magazine if it has to be pinned to 5 rounds which is what you already have. But to each their own. Just research any magazine you are looking to buy as some are known to be problems. Good luck!
Just what WAS short about the LeeEnfield repeater? Or was it designed by Mr Short? Never did see a gun with a LONG magazine, nor one with a longer barrel .....:rolleyes:
"Short" didn't describe the magazine, it described the rifle which which was considerably shorter than the original Lee Enfield that came out in the 1890's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pat32rf
That's your preference? I'd start using the stripper clips and then make your choice. Believe me. When you want to start firing that thing your gonna put a lot of rounds through it. Having to reload a clip is really a pain. I have 6 stripper clips and can put through 60 rounds in about a minute and a half. Do what you want but give this a try first. You'll be much happier.