I don't understand antis

Today we went with my family to st. Marie among the Hurons.. As well as discovery harbour.. Anyways. At at Marie among the Hurons.. The natives traded fur with the french.. Anyways this women came in and starts freaking about the firm. Going in qboutbahe cant understand the hunting or trading fur as its so cruel.... Really? 1600 and something.. And people had no choice but to hunt... Are people really that clueless? Y go to place the depicts a lifestyle from that era... And complain about fur and hunting? Wtf?

Sickening isn't it! It's the leftist media and the school system that's to blame.

My own granddaughter has been brainwashed by her teachers into being anti-gun/anti-hunting and I'm having a hard time to re-educate her. We were fishing on the Bonnechere last week and someone in the distance was target shooting and she started to freak out. It's sad!

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Originally Posted by GoldenLakePete

Sickening isn't it! It's the leftist media and the school system that's to blame.

My own granddaughter has been brainwashed by her teachers into being anti-gun/anti-hunting and I'm having a hard time to re-educate her. We were fishing on the Bonnechere last week and someone in the distance was target shooting and she started to freak out. It's sad!

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Ya.. Same with my eldest daughter.. She told me she doesn't want to shoot because she's scared of guns.. When I asked her why she said.. "Because guns kill people...." In response I said well my guns must broken.. As mine have not killed anyone..

Reminds me of this, people who think Steven Spielberg hunts dinosaurs. Remember, these people are allowed to vote.

http://www.businessinsider.com/faceb...inosaur-2014-7

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A lot of people on Facebook didn't think it was a joke.

The post went viral with 32,000 shares and 5,700 comments, which varied from people in on the joke and many others who may not have been.
"That's Steven Spielberg, director of Jurassic Park!" one commenter wrote. This got a response of "I dont care who he is he should have not shot that animal."
Other commenters called Spielberg "inhumane" and "disgusting" and proclaimed they'd never watch his movies again because he's an "animal killer."

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

Reminds me of this, people who think Steven Spielberg hunts dinosaurs. Remember, these people are allowed to vote.

http://www.businessinsider.com/faceb...inosaur-2014-7

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That's the scariest thing of all. People who live in the urban environment (sez here: "citiots) were never exposed to outdoor life,so,all they know is the bull shyte other people feed them. They haven't the intelligence to discern fact from fiction or do their own research to,at the very least,have an informed opinion. Sad,really,that people are that gullible.

I was supposed to write this really long post about anti hunters but trimmer21 got everything right in his post. The cidiots are really gullable and base all their opinions on what other people tell them especially people they think are "smart" like teachers and parents, but these "smart" people don't have experience either and were fed BS and the stupid train just kept getting bigger as they passed along the BS to the younger generation. It also amazes me, some of the cidiots logic makes no sense like how its only cruel when you kill the animals yourself but when they are caged never see the sun and are killed and treated like crap its OK because its on a farm and that magically makes everything allright. The reality is if your gonna eat meat animals are gonna die, and I would rather eat the best free run organic meat you can get that hasn't been genetically modified from the forest and kill it and prepare it myself that way I know its lived its life in the forest not being trapped and died free and I worked to get the meat rather than have it handed to me at the super market, and I had a hell of a time doing it too.

I'm not really sure how this post flipped from a woefully uninformed women tourist to all urbanites being antis and citiots.
The demographics of Toronto show that a number somewhere around half come from somewhere else. Many of those would be coming from rural or much less urban Canada and/or countries where they fended for themselves before arrival and were exposed to guns and hunting.
It's the all or nothing attitude expressed here that will turn the undecided or not yet informed against.
I for one would prefer to be judged for my opinions rather than my postal code.

CA in TO (Toronto)

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Originally Posted by C.A. in TO

I'm not really sure how this post flipped from a woefully uninformed women tourist to all urbanites being antis and citiots.
The demographics of Toronto show that a number somewhere around half come from somewhere else. Many of those would be coming from rural or much less urban Canada and/or countries where they fended for themselves before arrival and were exposed to guns and hunting.
It's the all or nothing attitude expressed here that will turn the undecided or not yet informed against.
I for one would prefer to be judged for my opinions rather than my postal code.

CA in TO (Toronto)

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Suddenly the focus is Toronto?

Its a higher % and a higher number overall of antis in urban areas CA in TO. Living in a rural environment, most here are neutral to hunting. If you dont hunt yourself, you either are related to someone who does, your neighbour does, or you work with someone who does. The same cannot be said for an urban area.

Its COMMON for children to be taken out of school in the fall to go on the deer hunt with dad. Many teachers come from families where hunting happens, or they themselves hunt (I myself am related to 4 teachers, all of whom hunt or are are married to to someone who does).

Once the tourists and cottagers leave central Ontario for the confines of their Toronto condos or GTA suburbs, the true nature of central Ontario shows through.

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Suddenly the focus is Toronto?

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When the conversation switches to "citiots" -- yes. Toronto is nearly 1/2 of the population of Ontario. Call me sensitive if you want.

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Originally Posted by C.A. in TO

When the conversation switches to "citiots" -- yes. Toronto is nearly 1/2 of the population of Ontario. Call me sensitive if you want.

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You chose to live there, no one forced you to. There is a saying.."If you sleep with dogs, ......"

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When the conversation switches to "citiots" -- yes. Toronto is nearly 1/2 of the population of Ontario. Call me sensitive if you want.

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You probably won't see much compassion for Toronto right now. Especially after the last election. Lol. I have friends from the city and individually, they are good people. But as a general voting populous, the best thing would be for it to slide into Lake Ontario. :D

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

You chose to live there, no one forced you to. There is a saying.."If you sleep with dogs, ......"

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THAT is uncalled for. You actually have allies in the city whether you are aware of it or not. As I pointed out, nearly half of us are from somewhere else.

I, for one, moved here to take a job that will allow me to not be a drain on the rest of you or your children now and in my retirement. May have to take that pension and move south rather than north if I am to be branded for life for not totally hating my home.

... Signing off now to enjoy the holiday

While I agree many of the opinions like the woman in the OP are due to exposure (or lack of), it is also our ability to think for ourselves is being relinquished. Many of us on both sides of the debate are becoming a society of sheep unable to see the forest for the trees. Some posts I read on this site are equally biased and lacking content in the other direction so I don't think the epidemic is confined to "citiots". What ever happened to objectivity?

CA, some of those posts may even be contained within this thread:)

Enjoy the holiday.

Most of it is ignorance and films like "Bambi". friend I've known for years found out I hunt deer. She said you can shoot them here? She was horrified Iwould even consider it. And Canada geese were just off the charts, "such beautiful birds how could you?"

Problem is there are anti's on this board as well.......

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Originally Posted by wolfhunter

Most of it is ignorance and films like "Bambi". friend I've known for years found out I hunt deer. She said you can shoot them here? She was horrified Iwould even consider it. And Canada geese were just off the charts, "such beautiful birds how could you?"

Problem is there are anti's on this board as well.......

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I really dont think Bambi or films of that ilk have any effect. Its purely ignorance or in some cases downright stupidity.

9 times out of 10 the anti that most of us have the misfortune of meeting is nothing more than a massive hypocrite. I get a guilty pleasure about pointing out there hypocrisy by drawing attention to their leather shoes, wallet, purse jacket etc and the icing on the cake is when they admit to eating meat, the conversation need not go any further, I just flat out say to their face "you are a massive hypocrite" they usually are to flustered at that point to say anything more, and even if they did what could they say to not make themselves hypocrites.
In my opinion if you eat meat and use other products made from animal by products, you have zero opinion on hunting and wether it should be allowed or not.
Finally, as much as there are good people who hunt and fish, that by circumstance happen to live in the city (I happen to be one of them, and trust me if I had the means I'd be gone in a heartbeat) there are a group of urbanites that are ignorant, self important busy bodies that want to force their will on to the rural areas, they buy up rural land and then want all hunting to cease because now they own a piece (not just theirs, but the whole township) and because they have nothing better to do than dump on someone's parade, they get involved with municipal politics and pester the town councils. I've seen it happen a few times where a small group of like minded idiots get their way because nobody knew what was happening before it happened. Fortunately I've also seen where the antis tried and were basically laughed out of chambers because the word of their intent got out and the pushback by the community was so great they had no choice but to concede defeat. So yes, I do get why "city folk" are not so popular among the local rural citizens

It's not a function of intelligence or gullibility. It's a function of deep-seated cultural beliefs and values that carry with them certain sets of ideas. Ideas rooted in cultural values are not susceptible to correction via exposure to conflicting information. The person holding those beliefs instead engages in a subconscious attempt to invalidate the inconvenient facts, to protect the threatened core beliefs. This is a natural phenomenon and we all do it.

People who believe that the other side is stupid and gullible are in for a rude comeuppance when their own beliefs come under the microscope -- or at least, they would be if they were able to silence the mental nails-on-chalkboard effect of cognitive dissonance and look at their beliefs clearly.

One example of a factually incorrect belief that reflects cultural norms is the notion that most people living in cities are ignorant of where their food comes from and are opposed to hunting. This belief persists because it acts as salve to a strong sense of identity formed around hunting, a pursuit seen as threatened. It is reinforced by in-group information that includes fictionalized anecdotes, repeated urban legends, and so on. For example, a letter to the editor declares that meat should come from supermarkets because no animals are harmed that way; discounting that this is an obvious parody, it is taken to represent the typical view of people living in cities. Voila! People in cities are opposed to hunting because they are stupid and ignorant, their views can therefore be discarded as stupid, and the threat to core beliefs is resolved.

We are rarely aware of our own cognitive processes, but they are an open book. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Not all of those people are made up I have personally met people who did not realize that animals were killed for food. The scarey part is I have met quite a few.

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It's not a function of intelligence or gullibility. It's a function of deep-seated cultural beliefs and values that carry with them certain sets of ideas. Ideas rooted in cultural values are not susceptible to correction via exposure to conflicting information. The person holding those beliefs instead engages in a subconscious attempt to invalidate the inconvenient facts, to protect the threatened core beliefs. This is a natural phenomenon and we all do it.

People who believe that the other side is stupid and gullible are in for a rude comeuppance when their own beliefs come under the microscope -- or at least, they would be if they were able to silence the mental nails-on-chalkboard effect of cognitive dissonance and look at their beliefs clearly.

One example of a factually incorrect belief that reflects cultural norms is the notion that most people living in cities are ignorant of where their food comes from and are opposed to hunting. This belief persists because it acts as salve to a strong sense of identity formed around hunting, a pursuit seen as threatened. It is reinforced by in-group information that includes fictionalized anecdotes, repeated urban legends, and so on. For example, a letter to the editor declares that meat should come from supermarkets because no animals are harmed that way; discounting that this is an obvious parody, it is taken to represent the typical view of people living in cities. Voila! People in cities are opposed to hunting because they are stupid and ignorant, their views can therefore be discarded as stupid, and the threat to core beliefs is resolved.

We are rarely aware of our own cognitive processes, but they are an open book. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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Bottom line is that the human brain is very weak and gullible. We can be made to believe anything that a person with a hidden agenda and is a good orator can deliver.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

People who live in the urban environment (sez here: "citiots) were never exposed to outdoor life,so,all they know is the bull shyte other people feed them. They haven't the intelligence to discern fact from fiction or do their own research to,at the very least,have an informed opinion.

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I notice the word "citiot" expressed often and freely whenever topics such as this thread come to surface.....

Well, upon evaluation of a blanket statement such as the one above, does it not also create an impression that folks who live in rural environment have really not much clue as to what they may be talking about?

BTW, it may help to bear in mind that its actually the term "Village Idiot" that is far more utilized and recognized universally!

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Originally Posted by sharps4570

I notice the word "citiot" expressed often and freely whenever topics such as this thread come to surface.....

Well, upon evaluation of a blanket statement such as the one above, does it not also create an impression that folks who live in rural environment have really not much clue as to what they may be talking about?

BTW, it may help to bear in mind that its actually the term "Village Idiot" that is far more utilized and recognized universally!

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I didn't want to use the term "village idiot" because it would have been impolite.;)

I was once at a gathering during the Winter holidays. A friend of mine who was a chef at a very nice TO restaurant took some of the goose breasts I had harvested that Fall, and had made a lovely smoked pate out of it.

When some of the guests commented on how good it was, and where he got it, he told them.

I was then confronted by about 4-5 women, ( 3 of whom were teachers in the high school system), who decried my activities as barbaric, and how dare I? Canada Geese are protected.

I calmly listened, and asked why they were under the impression that Canada Geese were a protected species? They haughtily replied that they just were, and everyone knows that....

I excused myself, asked if i might return to speak with them in a few minutes. Went out to my truck,and returned with a copy of the regs. Opened it to the section on migratory birds, and then politely asked, that if the species was protected, why then did it say that I could harvest 6 in a day?

Quiet, some muttered apologies....and an overall enjoyable evening afterwards.

Always be polite ( even in the face of abject stupidity), if you can educate even one, do so.

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I'm not really sure how this post flipped from a woefully uninformed women tourist to all urbanites being antis and citiots.
The demographics of Toronto show that a number somewhere around half come from somewhere else. Many of those would be coming from rural or much less urban Canada and/or countries where they fended for themselves before arrival and were exposed to guns and hunting.
It's the all or nothing attitude expressed here that will turn the undecided or not yet informed against.
I for one would prefer to be judged for my opinions rather than my postal code.

CA in TO (Toronto)

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The "somewhere else" is not rural Canada - it's foreign countries. 50% of Torontonians were born outside of Canada. People from rural areas tend not to move to Toronto.

But - I will agree that idiots can be found anywhere - not just the city. Ottawa and the surrounding area has its share. Rural eastern Ontario (east of Ottawa) has a surprising number given that its rural.

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BTW, it may help to bear in mind that its actually the term "Village Idiot" that is far more utilized and recognized universally!

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Rural eastern Ontario (east of Ottawa) has a surprising number given that its rural.

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Ahhh, but amongst the many normal idiots in any town...only a select few... get the title of 'Village Idiot' :)

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Always be polite ( even in the face of abject stupidity), if you can educate even one, do so.

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Here's the thing: there's been a ton of public opinion research on attitudes to hunting, and it's all remarkably consistent. About 80% of the public thinks "legal, regulated hunting" is okay, and only about 10% think hunting in general should be banned.

But those attitudes are coloured heavily by questions about why people hunt and what people hunt. If you change the question and ask if people think "sport hunting" is okay, then support drops to around 50%. Change that to "trophy hunting" and support drops below 20%. If you look at the quarry, support drops significantly when we get into predator hunting and whenever people perceive that the hunted animal is somehow threatened.

That kind of situational opposition to hunting is based on values concerning animal welfare and the inherent value of wild animals. And hunters, for the most part, actually share those values. We just have a different understanding of the facts, of which animals are threatened and which are not and of the reasons people hunt. To Impact's point above, people's values can't really be shifted but people are generally gullible about facts, and people often believe things are true based on subjective impressions and half-remembered ideas from childhood.

But factual errors are hard to correct when you are adversarial or when they link directly to some cultural conflict. The urban-rural cultural divide can be defined in two words: "redneck" and "citiot." If you come off as a redneck, the discussion becomes a cultural conflict and facts become irrelevant.

The future of hunting lies in the hands of hunters, who enjoy wide public support but can easily lose it. Calling people "citiots" and believing that they are any more stupid and gullible than you are is a mistake. Those attitudes don't help us. Present what you do in the right light and most people will support you ... unless you're a coyote hunter, in which case you're SOL.

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Here's the thing: there's been a ton of public opinion research on attitudes to hunting, and it's all remarkably consistent. About 80% of the public thinks "legal, regulated hunting" is okay, and only about 10% think hunting in general should be banned.

But those attitudes are coloured heavily by questions about why people hunt and what people hunt. If you change the question and ask if people think "sport hunting" is okay, then support drops to around 50%. Change that to "trophy hunting" and support drops below 20%. If you look at the quarry, support drops significantly when we get into predator hunting and whenever people perceive that the hunted animal is somehow threatened.

That kind of situational opposition to hunting is based on values concerning animal welfare and the inherent value of wild animals. And hunters, for the most part, actually share those values. We just have a different understanding of the facts, of which animals are threatened and which are not and of the reasons people hunt. To Impact's point above, people's values can't really be shifted but people are generally gullible about facts, and people often believe things are true based on subjective impressions and half-remembered ideas from childhood.

But factual errors are hard to correct when you are adversarial or when they link directly to some cultural conflict. The urban-rural cultural divide can be defined in two words: "redneck" and "citiot." If you come off as a redneck, the discussion becomes a cultural conflict and facts become irrelevant.

The future of hunting lies in the hands of hunters, who enjoy wide public support but can easily lose it. Calling people "citiots" and believing that they are any more stupid and gullible than you are is a mistake. Those attitudes don't help us. Present what you do in the right light and most people will support you ... unless you're a coyote hunter, in which case you're SOL.

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Well,welsh,you made an excellent point....right up until "coyote hunters being SOL."

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Well,welsh,you made an excellent point....right up until "coyote hunters being SOL."

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There is a widespread perception that predators are disappearing due to human encroachment and ought not to be hunted. This despite the fact that coyotes are on the increase. It goes hand in hand with the feeling that predator hunting is intended to wipe out populations, which is based on past policies towards predators.

These ideas don't prove as susceptible to change. When we look at attitudes towards hunting based on the quarry, predator hunting has the lowest levels of support.

So yes, in terms of broad public support, predator hunters are pretty much SOL. That's true whether you want to believe it, or not.

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When we look at attitudes towards hunting based on the quarry, predator hunting has the lowest levels of support.

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I assume bear hunting falls into that category as well. The opening of the pilot spring bear hunt this year brought out a lot of loud opinions from anti's and ARA's. One that surprised me was the assumption that bears are killed for their fur, and the meat is tossed. Once again, there's an opportunity to educate those who don't know better, and keep the 80% on neutral ground.

City + idiot = cidiot (although. Cityot or citiot). Requires 2 defining traits...1 you are from a city (not only those from Toronto....those from Mississauga and Scarborough are equally disliked). 2 you are an idiot. If you don't fill both requirements you are under qualified to be a cidiot.

Red + neck = redneck. Again we have had to learn not to let cidiot references to redneck bother us as we all have necks but unless our neck is red they must be talking about someone else....poor gingers.

FW

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Originally Posted by welsh

There is a widespread perception that predators are disappearing due to human encroachment and ought not to be hunted. This despite the fact that coyotes are on the increase. It goes hand in hand with the feeling that predator hunting is intended to wipe out populations, which is based on past policies towards predators.

These ideas don't prove as susceptible to change. When we look at attitudes towards hunting based on the quarry, predator hunting has the lowest levels of support.

So yes, in terms of broad public support, predator hunters are pretty much SOL. That's true whether you want to believe it, or not.

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That,to me, seems to be a rather broad statement given that most people that I've met socially,as conservationists and/or media types,know that assumption to be patently false. I have never missed an opportunity to educate others when they've made blanket statements. I emphasize that varmint/predator hunting is only about population balance and agricultural damage control and,as hunters,we'd never advocate "wiping out" any species,no matter what they are,for any reason. We can never call ourselves hunters and "conservationists" by taking any other position. To do so would be horrendously hypocritical putting us on a level with the anti's and animal rights zealots.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I emphasize that varmint/predator hunting is only about population balance and agricultural damage control and,as hunters,we'd never advocate "wiping out" any species,no matter what they are,for any reason.

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I'm not suggesting you shouldn't.

But the data from dozens of public opinion surveys conducted over the past 30 years or so are consistent. People are not likely to change their views on this subject based on facts or arguments.

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I emphasize that varmint/predator hunting is only about population balance and agricultural damage control and,as hunters,we'd never advocate "wiping out" any species,no matter what they are,for any reason.

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I live rural and in general terms the hunting of Coyotes is understood by one and all for what it is. The only time I saw some backlash, more by media coverage anyway, was when some local Gun Clubs put up Gun as 'prizes' in a draw..tickets given with proof of kill. That bothered a few of the squeamish.

It was more acceptable, to the general public, to offer a bounty for the kills than to get a ticket for a draw for a new gun....funny how some folks rationalize things to come to terms with their conscience beliefs.

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Originally Posted by welsh

I'm not suggesting you shouldn't.

But the data from dozens of public opinion surveys conducted over the past 30 years or so are consistent. People are not likely to change their views on this subject based on facts or arguments.

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I have no statistical data on the public opinion surveys,although,without knowing who,how,where and under what circumstances they were conducted, I hold all polling results as highly suspect.
I certainly whole-heartedly agree that people are not likely to change their attitudes (heaven forbid) when presented with factual arguments. I mean who the hell do we think we are confusing the issue with cold,hard facts,anyway.LOL

Don't come on a thread calling people citiots and saying they are misinformed gullable and base their opinions on what other people say and then in the same breathe make a bold statement that all animals in agriculture raised for meat and other great products that domesticated livestock are used for are of terrible quality. Don't make matter-of-fact comments that livestock are raised without ever seeing the sun, caged and treated poorly. That is simply not the case and you are the severely misinformed one in this situation. There are thousands of farm families out there working very hard and are very dedicated to their livestock and the quality of product that they produce. Organic meat is not only based on how it is housed but also how it is fed. If you are hunting in and agricultural parts of Ontario or anywhere in the world you are going to have a hard time finding crops that are certified organically grown and I would bet that corn, beans, wheat, hay and other crops make up a large percentage of the diet for that "organic meat" you claim you are eating. I am an avid hunter and angler but I am also involved in the agriculture industry and I and many others on here may take offence to you putting down ignorance and mis-information with yet even more ignorance and mis-information. Thanks for your consideration and have a good day.

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I was supposed to write this really long post about anti hunters but trimmer21 got everything right in his post. The cidiots are really gullable and base all their opinions on what other people tell them especially people they think are "smart" like teachers and parents, but these "smart" people don't have experience either and were fed BS and the stupid train just kept getting bigger as they passed along the BS to the younger generation. It also amazes me, some of the cidiots logic makes no sense like how its only cruel when you kill the animals yourself but when they are caged never see the sun and are killed and treated like crap its OK because its on a farm and that magically makes everything allright. The reality is if your gonna eat meat animals are gonna die, and I would rather eat the best free run organic meat you can get that hasn't been genetically modified from the forest and kill it and prepare it myself that way I know its lived its life in the forest not being trapped and died free and I worked to get the meat rather than have it handed to me at the super market, and I had a hell of a time doing it too.

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OK...just read all of that and I'm dizzy. I will say this though~I'm concerned when I see "infighting" within the hunting community, so I hope conversations like this stay respectful. This thread, and all others going forward for that matter. Leaving aside the OP's thread starter :) and riding the rails of this side-tracked conversation...I find the term "citiot" to be an offensive one. I live close enough to Toronto to know people who...to be quite honest...probably deserve that label, but "idiots" come in all sizes, shapes, colors, and from from all parts of Ontario. Period. I find the attitudes towards guns & hunting to be more open and understanding in small, rural communities...but the perception of guns in suburban parts of Toronto means something entirely different~and that's no fault of the people living in those communities. People in ALL parts of Canada are fed a diet of negative press regarding guns and in the absence of positive experiences with them (ie, those growing-up in the city and it's suburbs) the attitudes will invariably become negative ones. In a rural community, kids will hear the same stories, then go hunting on the weekend and form a more well-balanced opinion on the subject. It's not a city vs. rural issue, it's a question of life experiences vs. media-fed people living in situations/places where they go their whole lives having never fired a gun.

time to ramble...

This past weekend, like hundreds...maybe thousands of families...I took my 2 older kids (trap) shooting on a friend's property about 10 minutes from the family cottage. We spent all afternoon at it, 2 cases of clays...14 boxes of 20ga target loads...and my shoulders and arms are killing me from that silly hand-thrower I have. It was a fantastic time, my kids shoot as well...if not better than I do now. No TV, no iPods, no video games, just fun, safe, family time doing something we all love. Makes me think~considering the amount of money that gets spent on the shooting sports in this country...it amazes me that I haven't seen a SINGLE good news story about the private use of guns when in fact....that kind of thing is going on all the time. Millions of rounds get fired in the safe, legal pursuit of our beloved hobbies...yet the only gun shots you hear about are those criminals are responsible for. What a shame. If we want people to have a different perception (and that would serve us all well) then an positive, open dialog should happen at every opportunity. Calling anyone an "idiot", from the city or otherwise, isn't the way to go about it in my estimation. People in urban environments have the opinions they have because what else COULD most of them have when you think about it? I've converted a few people, and no longer keep my interests discreetly out of conversations with city folks. Granted, the upland bird conversations go better than the groundhog ones. :)

^^^Gun wielding maniac seen roaming the woods of Durham County with 2 suspected hostages

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Man and kids enjoy afternoon trap shooting.

Which one do think would sell more papers?

Teen shot outside busy Scarborough night club.

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Family hunt fills the freezer.

Which one would the Star run?

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I've converted a few people, and no longer keep my interests discreetly out of conversations with city folks.

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Gotta say..if some guy came up to me and passionately ‘educated’ me on the merits and joy I'd experience if I got dressed up in Black Tie and attended a live Opera at the NAC…I could not be 'converted' ...I would still be an anti- :)

HA HA LOL... My wife and sister in-law use to try and dress my brother in-law and me up and take us to those things. I fell asleep at one of them and the other well let's just say I don't have to go anymore. ;)

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Gotta say..if some guy came up to me and passionately ‘educated’ me on the merits and joy I experience if I got dressed up in Black Tie and attended a live Opera at the NAC…I could not be 'converted' ...I would still be an anti- :)

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I dunno but I can smell a citiot a mile away . You ever see a citiot with mud on their shoes or mud on the tires of that fancy jacked up chromed 4x4 they bring up to try and be country for a day or weekend . ? They even talk wierd and are afraid of skeeters and blackflies . And gawd forbid they have a run in with a spider web . Then all hell really breaks loose . Us country folk don't care what you drive , we don't care what you wear as long as it's practical , . All we care about is that you keep your trap shut with your pushy, politically correct ideals and learn to smell and talk right . And don't fly the rainbow flag or carry our Canadian flag while your hair is spiked and gelled and died purple . Simple things that will keep you from being a citiot . Call us rednecks and were not in the least offended or become defensive so why do citiots become so when labelled since it suits them so well ? LOL

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

. Call us rednecks and were not in the least offended or become defensive so why do citiots become so when labelled since it suits them so well ? LOL

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I'm proud to be a redneck.. And proud of.my old rusty truck. That only starts when you pump the gas pedal 3 times... Flip the wipers on than off.. And tap the dash twice..

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

I dunno but I can smell a citiot a mile away . You ever see a citiot with mud on their shoes or mud on the tires of that fancy jacked up chromed 4x4 they bring up to try and be country for a day or weekend . ? They even talk wierd and are afraid of skeeters and blackflies . And gawd forbid they have a run in with a spider web . Then all hell really breaks loose . Us country folk don't care what you drive , we don't care what you wear as long as it's practical , . All we care about is that you keep your trap shut with your pushy, politically correct ideals and learn to smell and talk right . And don't fly the rainbow flag or carry our Canadian flag while your hair is spiked and gelled and died purple . Simple things that will keep you from being a citiot . Call us rednecks and were not in the least offended or become defensive so why do citiots become so when labelled since it suits them so well ? LOL

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Beautiful,just beautiful.....ROFLMFAO!!

400bigbear can't fool me. He wrote that post and then ate baked brie while writing a letter to his local council to complain that the lake is breeding mosquitoes.

Well with all the free crap out there from the LIEbrals, I deserve a 150% guarantee that there will be no rain or bugs when I am camping. Seeing as LIEbrals do nothing other than steal my money I deserve something in return.

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Originally Posted by welsh

400bigbear can't fool me. He wrote that post and then ate baked brie while writing a letter to his local council to complain that the lake is breeding mosquitoes.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Well with all the free crap out there from the LIEbrals, I deserve a 150% guarantee that there will be no rain or bugs when I am camping. Seeing as LIEbrals do nothing other than steal my money I deserve something in return.

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They have given you something in return.... Remember when you dropped the soap?

I cant tell you how many times an anti has tried to tell me that Canada Geese are protected. I have no idea why or how the perception exists.

Canada Geese ARE protected, my lab is constantly sitting over a pile of em making sure the other dogs stay away.

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Originally Posted by bigtedd

I have no idea why or how the perception exists.

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They are a protected bird...from someone running them down with an ATV along the beach....but you can still hunt them in season.

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Are Canada Geese protected and can they be hunted?


Yes, Canada Geese are protected under the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (MBCA). This Act arose from an international treaty -- the Migratory Birds Convention -- between Canada and the United States, signed in 1916. The MBCA provides for the protection and conservation of migratory birds, and prohibits people from harming birds, except under specified conditions. Several species, including Canada geese, are considered game birds and may be hunted. The Act gives the federal government the responsibility to establish hunting seasons, and Canada Geese are greatly appreciated by migratory game bird hunters across the country. More than 500 000 Canada Geese are taken in Canada each year by hunters.

http://www.ec.gc.ca/mbc-com/default....1-1#ws988AAEC9

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Love "Citiots" how true

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Originally Posted by welsh

400bigbear can't fool me. He wrote that post and then ate baked brie while writing a letter to his local council to complain that the lake is breeding mosquitoes.

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LMAO WELSH . I contest profusely and feel downright indignant that you would insult us rednecks in such a way knowing full well that our local council consists of farmers, garbage collectors , snow plow drivers etc but all understand hunting and trapping . Heck we feed skeeters and blackflies so they procreate lots and it drives the local economy selling every kind of fly dope imaginable to citiots . Deep Woods OFF seems to be on the best seller list of our version of the north of the GTA STOCK EXCHANGE though .

Complain I would never do to a local council other than about those mutated hornets on our lakes and rivers often referred to by citiots as fun Sea Doo's or something . Damn things are our prime habitat destroyers for skeeters and of course our black flies which polinate blue berries . Low blue berrie yields, create problem bear issues which citiots forget about but we have to deal with daily .

Then after all that the citiots wear that stink of Chanel # 5 and the like while calling themselves a bear hunter , yet any smart bear can't take the stink so bear population grows out of control further because they don't harvest the GTA share of the quota so to speak . Not only that, the stink drives the bears out of the area but drives us rednecks out of the local stores at same time . Just my tongue in cheek sting on it but then again I am redneck , eh and not in denial . LOL

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Originally Posted by topher

I'm proud to be a redneck.. And proud of.my old rusty truck. That only starts when you pump the gas pedal 3 times... Flip the wipers on than off.. And tap the dash twice..

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You got it lad . No citiot would know how to even start one . I just got rid of a couple of mine and already miss them . This fifi Envoy hasn't even got hooks on the front or place to hook to on the front . I could pull more citiots out of the ditch going backwards since the motor weight was over front tires but now WTF GMC . You call this your answer to the Jimmy and Blazer ?

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Anti's are a little......@#$%$#@^&*

400bb: I note that you do not deny the baked brie. You ain't foolin' no one.

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400bb: I note that you do not deny the baked brie. You ain't foolin' no one.

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I saw 400bb walking out of Starbucks the other day.. I laughed as i drank from my thermos... He was walking into a pink vw beetle...

I profusely contest again you two . It could not have been me since there is not a Starbucks in Huntsville or north that I am aware of till you hit a city such as Nor BAY ETC . Yup lots of citiots from them too . Were Timmies folks dontcha know and Burks Falls even put up a stoplight just so the citiots and cops don't run into each other going to our new Timmies
. LOL . Actually Welsh in all truth I don't know what baked brie is ... LOL . I thought it was a misspell or your auto correct quit functioning .. LOL True bud ..lol

Pink around here Topher ?. Must be in my tackle box . LOL

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A likely story.

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A likely story.

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Your our researcher on here Welsh and now I can't even call on you to tell me what baked brie is ? WTH is going on around here . ? LOL I know it must be because your pup looks like a Springer and a good looking one at that .. LOL .. I'm outta here lads .. lol

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You got it lad . No citiot would know how to even start one . I just got rid of a couple of mine and already miss them . This fifi Envoy hasn't even got hooks on the front or place to hook to on the front . I could pull more citiots out of the ditch going backwards since the motor weight was over front tires but now WTF GMC . You call this your answer to the Jimmy and Blazer ?

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I had a Hilux in Africa that I always parked on hill as more often than not the only way to start it was to "bum" start it.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

I had a Hilux in Africa that I always parked on hill as more often than not the only way to start it was to "bum" start it.

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You can never find a rhino when you needed one right.

My dad had an old truck and would leave the keys in It.. A stolen vehicle got abandened in front of our house one night.. The police knocked on our door to let my dad know someone tried to steal his truck as the drivers door was left open.. My dads response was "if the sob could of started it he could have that pos"

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I had a Hilux in Africa that I always parked on hill as more often than not the only way to start it was to "bum" start it.

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That's how I started my last car for the last 2 weeks I had it before drivin er to the wreckers. Good thing there's a slight hill to my driveway and the parking lot at work. :thumbup:

Remember the old push starters . A button on the floor . They were a real treat starting the old Fargo while holding clutch in , brake on, and pumping the gas with only two feet . Oh that " H " doing 3 on the tree was fun . LOL I remember coming down 3 mile lake hill and missing the gear and hitting the brakes and only one locked on the back . I thought ol girl was going over sideways . Fought with that steering wheel and let her coast to bottom . It was a hell of a ride hanging on to the Fargo in free wheel mode . Lol Tractors was the same .

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My dad had an old truck and would leave the keys in It.. A stolen vehicle got abandened in front of our house one night.. The police knocked on our door to let my dad know someone tried to steal his truck as the drivers door was left open.. My dads response was "if the sob could of started it he could have that pos"

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lol Topher . Dad was likely drunk as many were but none ever killed anyone impaired . I was a pup but drove many old lads home too without a license . Then again us rednecks knew not to crest a hill in the center of the road . Citiots did and still do . Another one of their traits and tell .;)

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No.. My dad wasn't drunk.. It was 8:00am... Lol.. He probably was hung over...

Got a free neon a few years ago.. Guy had issues starting it all the time.. Dad and I drove down to pick it up (tow home) looked inside noticed was stick.. Dad jumps in.. I give him a push.. Car starts... Drove it to the barn.. Lifted it up with the forklift.. And found the wire to the starter had corroded off.. Fixed up wire.. And drive that thing into the ground q few years later...

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No.. My dad wasn't drunk.. It was 8:00am... Lol.. He probably was hung over...

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LOL and then likely made you . LOL He was or is a good man .

Was the times we could still start an automatic in gear too . Many had generators instead of alternators but a citiot would not have known after leaving lights on all night . Dumb SOB'S MAY BE POLITICALL TERM for citiots .

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Was the times we could still start an automatic in gear too . Many had generators instead of alternators but a citiot would not have known after leaving lights on all night . Dumb SOB'S MAY BE POLITICALL TERM for citiots .

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Old Ford f-100 auto would start if you pulled it to about 30km/h. I think the best one we did was with an old fiat allis crawler. It had a drive disconnect in the back. Pulled that sucker as fast as the skidder coould go then had the younglad sitting on the winch engage the drives and hope like hell it didnt snub up solid.

there is a lot of different things between city dwelers and rural folk. City folk become hardened and street wise, knowing not to walk down streets at certain times of day. Or what to do with all sorts of dangers. Rural folk too have knowledge city folk don't. There are many movies made on this precipise.

I remember how we dealt with power outages in the city, where in the country we have generators, so power outages really don't matter. firearms and wildlife are second nature to my kids, but my wife needed to learn. So you talk about anti's, there seem to be 2 types, either through ignorance (yes there are those folks here in the country), or through design. Most by design are militant veggies, the ones through ignorance can be taught but since city folk have no contact with the country (except by controled enviroment, like parks etc).

So really our job is to help educate those that will listen. Thank goodness we have politicians in our corner, at least so far. But we need to also be willing to fight for not justour freedom to hunt, and have firearms, but also for ALL our freedoms and privileges which can be so easily taken away. And then to also extend to other places in the world to ensure they have the same freedoms.

Why.... because if we won't fight for their freedoms no one will fight for ours

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...We're Timmies folks dontcha know...td

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Fer cryin' out loud, timmie's, starbuck's...no difference as far as I can tell. I make my own coffee over an open flame, using a wool sock as a filter. and I drink it outta my boot.

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Originally Posted by Elmer

Fer cryin' out loud, timmie's, starbuck's...no difference as far as I can tell. I make my own coffee over an open flame, using a wool sock as a filter. and I drink it outta my boot.

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Originally Posted by Elmer

Fer cryin' out loud, timmie's, starbuck's...no difference as far as I can tell. I make my own coffee over an open flame, using a wool sock as a filter. and I drink it outta my boot.

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A boot? Aren't you lucky. I throw the grinds in the water... Boil it in my.hands.. And drink from hands.. We can't afford boots.. Or socks

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I make my own coffee over an open flame, using a wool sock as a filter. and I drink it outta my boot.

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After what I did with my wool sock the night before, I wouldn't be filtering my coffee thru it in the morning :)

If you want to put an anti in their place politely while opening their mind with a strong possibility of changing their opinions on hunting I would suggest purchasing the book "The politically incorrect guide to Hunting" Take it from me it is the best investment that you'll ever make. They sell it on ebay or amazon. I recently had a conversation with a professor from the University of London, and he went on to tell me his view on hunters and how we kill simply for the joy of it. All the while stuffing his face with my venison summer sausage. I bit my tongue and let him finish his piece, then I informed him on what role we play in the eco system and what true conservationists we really are and gave him some prime examples. You could see by the look on his face that I opened his eyes to things he had never considered. Had I not read that book I probably would have made some remark about his girlish features and soft city hands which would not have helped our cause one bit. Buy the book not only is it a great read, it can help you change peoples opinions of us!

CA - i work downtown - means we are ADAPTABLE....don't take it on yourself - citiots probably doesn't have a geographical meaning - more like a philosophical one i would say....

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Originally Posted by C.A. in TO

I'm not really sure how this post flipped from a woefully uninformed women tourist to all urbanites being antis and citiots.
The demographics of Toronto show that a number somewhere around half come from somewhere else. Many of those would be coming from rural or much less urban Canada and/or countries where they fended for themselves before arrival and were exposed to guns and hunting.
It's the all or nothing attitude expressed here that will turn the undecided or not yet informed against.
I for one would prefer to be judged for my opinions rather than my postal code.

CA in TO (Toronto)

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CA - i work downtown - means we are ADAPTABLE....don't take it on yourself - citiots probably doesn't have a geographical meaning - more like a philosophical one i would say....

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Well said and so TRUE . .

There is good country stock in the city postal codes and I know many of them on this site and they are not posting this thread nor are they in the least bit defensive or offended because .." they are not , they know they are not . they know it isn't them I refer to as " citiots " .

Call me a redneck hill billy etc .. just not late for dinner . Even call me a citiot ,just not late for dinner . LOL " Citiot " though will not stick to me because I am who I am, but it will to many here no matter the postal code . LOL

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Originally Posted by oaknut

Old Ford f-100 auto would start if you pulled it to about 30km/h. I think the best one we did was with an old fiat allis crawler. It had a drive disconnect in the back. Pulled that sucker as fast as the skidder coould go then had the younglad sitting on the winch engage the drives and hope like hell it didnt snub up solid.

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LOL . you too eh ? lol Thanks for the good chuckle and remembrance .

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I think there are two types of "anti's". The first are those who have never had anything to do with anything related to outdoors except for what the see in their local doggie parkette. They've haven't had any inkling as to what actually goes on outside their "sphere" of going to work and coming home and never giving it a second thought. The only reason theat they're "anti" is because of the BS they've been fed,only hearing one side. Believe it or not,it's been my experience that when discussing hunting and fishing,they're the most open-minded and can carry on an intelligent conversation. Most times,when confronted with solid facts on hunting and conservation and their place in the natural realm,they're the ones most likely to learn and understand.
The other kind are those whose minds are slammed shut,wrapped up in their own dogma and won't even discuss anything for fear that the may actually need to see other points of view,steadfastly refusing to listen to reason and solid facts,in case they may have to admit that their dogma is wrong,flat out,which they can't abide because it scares the shyte out of them that someone else may be right.
I call them LIBERALS. LOL:fish:

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I think there are two types of "anti's". The first are those who have never had anything to do with anything related to outdoors except for what the see in their local doggie parkette. They've haven't had any inkling as to what actually goes on outside their "sphere" of going to work and coming home and never giving it a second thought. The only reason theat they're "anti" is because of the BS they've been fed,only hearing one side. Believe it or not,it's been my experience that when discussing hunting and fishing,they're the most open-minded and can carry on an intelligent conversation. Most times,when confronted with solid facts on hunting and conservation and their place in the natural realm,they're the ones most likely to learn and understand.
The other kind are those whose minds are slammed shut,wrapped up in their own dogma and won't even discuss anything for fear that the may actually need to see other points of view,steadfastly refusing to listen to reason and solid facts,in case they may have to admit that their dogma is wrong,flat out,which they can't abide because it scares the shyte out of them that someone else may be right.
I call them LIBERALS. LOL:fish:

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Can't get anymore bang on than that!